Where are all the reasonable Muslims?

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So recently there has been the mass kidnapping (and forced conversion) of hundreds of school girls in Nigeria, and now today in the news a woman in Sudan is condemned to death because she refuses to renounce her faith for Islam.

Numerous political figures across the world and some other-religion figures (Archibishop of Canterbury if I recall) have spoken out against the kidnappings, albeit not in terms of religion.

But I'm sincerely curious as to why there seems to have been no one from the Islamic faith who have spoken out against these two recent atrocities. Is it just that the UK news media have not reported it? Is it that no one has spoken against these tragedies? Would we be wrong to say that these actions are putting Islam in a bad light? These actions are being carried out with distinct emphasis on religious grounds.

I am not trying to stir up any anti-religious feelings, I just want to understand why these acts have not been roundly denounced by members of their own faith. (Please point me towards it, if I've missed any in the news...)

I'm an atheist but am fed up with the 'Muslims are bad people who endorse terrorist acts' spin. It's like saying that all Catholics supported the IRA ffs. I can't imagine what it must be like to have that level of suspicion aimed at you all the time while you're just getting on with your daily life.

Bad people have used religion to excuse all kinds of atrocity, and they always will do.

I think you don't necessarily hear Muslims condemning really atrocious acts for the very reason that they are so awful it barely needs saying! I am Muslim and would be a bit shocked if someone asked me what I thought about the Nigerian kidnappings - it's just so obviously wrong, but no more relevant to me than any other horrible thing that happens.

You can have good Muslims and bad Muslims but fuck me there's a lot of stoning, beheading, grooming, fgm, misogyny, child marriage, polygamy, suicide bombings and arbitrary death sentences within the Muslim community.

Islamic Caliphates tend to be unpleasant places so people are naturally keen to get out but I don't understand why they drag such a backwards religion with them and try to create the same unpleasantness here.

Within what Muslim community? There is no single Muslim community in the same way as there is not single Christian or Jewish community.
The Caliphate hasn't existed for 100 years or so although Al Qaeda does get sentimental about the idea from time to time.
Seriously people, read books, get an education, meet people from different backgrounds, cultures and religions and talk to them.

Have a word with the BBC then because rather than just adding an s to pluralise the noun they prefer to use community as the suffix. This is when they can bear to actually mention the M word for fear of offending a whole "community".

Aspostacy isn't up for discussion then?

Yusuf al-Qaradawi, head of the Muslim Brotherhood and one of the most respected leaders of Sunni Islam was interviewed on Egyptian tv.

"If they had gotten rid of the apostasy punishment, Islam wouldn't exist today. Islam would have ended since the death of the prophet, peace be upon him. Opposing Islam is what kept Islam to this day.

So he's happy to keep apostasy because people are terrified of being murdered if they leave.

i'm struggling to upload the tv clip but google it. Then think of the poor woman in Sudan who's going to be executed for becoming a Christian, but she's allowed to give birth and look after the child for two years because the baby will be a Muslim because the Father is.

You referring to a group of ppeople as "unevolved" is the issue.

You are a goady poster hiding under a namechange, so be prepared for people to report your goading.

Mono-cultural? Islam is anything but mono-cultural. Bad enough you seek to to be

deliberately offensive, your prejudices aren't even based on fact.

You've also been told on another thread about the fallacies using one Muslim to extrapolate their words to all Muslims.

I seem to recall people on that thread deciding that you sounded rather bigoted too.

Where are the reasonable Muslims?

Well this week my 'reasonable' Muslim neighbours and friends were working long shifts as GP's whilst getting on with their daily lives, reeling from being spat at whilst out in the park by a 'halal meat hater', trying to feed clothe and bring up their kids, they've hosted a meal for 4 neighbouring houses, and my friend has organised a rally to take place in the city centre tomorrow to bring back our girls in Nigeria. I know and work with many Muslims and in my local area alone there are many many rallies, fundraising events and awareness events going on this weekend. Can I ask where all the reasonable Christians were when max Clifford/jimmy saville/Stuart hall were sent down?? Muslims do not have a leader as such OP. you need to educate yourself about Islam and meet some real life Muslims.

Open you eyes and stop spouting anti- Muslim crap. I am so angry at the constant Muslim bashing. Did you know op that last week members of the racist British First party stormed local mosques in bradford and threatened elderly men praying? Did you know the incidence of racial abuse has risen sharply in certain areas? No? I thought not.

Parties like UKIP and BNP and Britain First should strike terror in a our communities, not just those of ethnic minorities.

The Muslim Brotherhood is not really mainstream:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood

I'm a Muslim. A moderate one. I vehemently condemn the kidnapping of the innocent Nigerian schoolgirls as does my religion. There is no place for such action in Islam. If I had my way, I'd deal with these rebels in my own way and show them exactly what people who commit such barbaric acts in the name of Islam deserve.

There. You've got your condemnation. Please bear it in mind in the future as I am in no doubt that I speak for the majority of Muslims around the world.

Now, can I also have an apology or a condemnation from Roman Catholics for Jimmy Saville's paedophilia? Or is it utter nonsense to hold them responsible for the actions of individuals of their religious denomination?

Exactly.

Even if we're led to believe that the Muslim Brotherhood isn't mainstream you can't get away from the coincidence that he is a respected leader of Sunni Islam, which covers 90% of Muslims.

All religion is a cover for something. Mainly misogyny and child exploitation.

I'm not a sunni Muslim so don't want to speak on their behalf but that isn't really the case.

It's like saying Thomas Monsoon (president of LDS church) is a respected leader for Protestant Christians.

There's always one twat.

Is that your religious doctrine hix?

Indeed

'Twas veey profound i thought

Only one twat?

And all men should kneel before it.

Yes, ignorant is the word.

Killing people for apostasy has nothing to do with religion. Islam doesn't even have the concept of apostasy and is totally against any violence. The story was actually invented by militant atheists who run around pretending to be whole Muslim communities and sentencing people to stir up trouble.

It's like FGM. There's just as much of that amongst protestants as Muslims - more even, but the wicked media only tell you are about the mere tens of thousands of mutilated Muslim girls to encourage Islamaphobia

And honour killings too. Everyone knows that most honour killings and stonings are done by the Welsh.