Who Wrote The Gospels?

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"Matthew contains 606 of Markâ??s 661 verses. Luke contains 320 of Markâ??s 661 verses. Of the 55 verses of Mark which Matthew does not reproduce, Luke reproduces 31; therefore there are only 24 verses in all of Mark not reproduced somewhere in Matthew or Luke."

A good diagram here

What part of me in in Jesus? My Renewed spirit.

Hi Crescent! Good to see you too! :)

Head, I think possibly the difference is that I see the Bible as being holy words about God but mediated through people, who are, inescapably, people of their times and cultures and can only understand or try to put their experiences of God into words that they have available to them at that place and time. So for example to say that 'God is [like] a mighty warrior'- that could either be a statement of fact about God - evidence is your word- or it could be saying that for a people living in a bloodthirsty world, God is with them in their battles - or it could be saying that they don't need to fight because God is the mighty warrior who fights for them and therefore enables them to be pacifist (there are some strands of this in the OT). Do you see what I mean? If you just read the Bible as though the only options are for it either to be factually true or factually untrue, you are left with only one idea of God (i.e. he is a mighty warrior, therefore he must be fighty and nasty).

This is where oddly, a certain type of atheists and fundamentalists are very much on the same page - they have the same view of God and the Bible; the only difference being that whereas fundamentalists accept this view, atheists reject it. But they're seeing the same thing. Does that make sense?

Talking of brains I remember this interesting post from HoneyandRum, below. Will have to see if I can dig out the research.

Add message | Report | Message poster HoneyandRum Fri 21-Feb-14 21:11:52
I'm sorry I am rubbish at creating links but there was scientific research which was published in 2012 from Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle that showed that after pregnancies mothers had the DNA from their son's cells in their brains. They looked for male DNA because female DNA would be hard to distinguish from their mothers. How and why it migrates to the brain is a mystery at the moment.

The first thing that occurred to me when I read this was "Woah! What about Mary? She still had Jesus' DNA in her body after his birth?!"

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/2000757-Do-you-as-a-Christian-believe-in-the-virgin-birth?pg=3

New Scientist article on this. (See my last post)

www.newscientist.com/article/dn22312-sons-dna-found-inside-mothers-brain.html

Not really here as need to RTFT before posting but just to say

to Holo :)

i have my own brain

I'm still unsure what you mean by know all things. How do you know all things at the point of becoming a Christian? Can you demonstrate this as a fact?

my renewed spirit

A bit of your spirit is in Jesus or your spirit is Jesus' spirit in you?

head Christians believe the Holy Spirit, sometimes called the Comforter, guides them, at a spiritual level, within their spirit.

I can only liken this to insight, sometimes called hunch or gut feel. On this level, (partly subconsciously until understanding is gained),I believe Christian can know all things.

But then you said you were a Christian head, and that you prayed in tongues. What did you think you gained? What now do you think was happening?

A bit of your spirit is in Jesus or your spirit is Jesus' spirit in you?

Both. It is of the same substance, indistinguishable.

But holo think of it like this. We've got various religions and religious texts right? Now, you're saying that the bible is about a real god but it just seems man made because men wrote it.

Now, how are we to distinguish the bible from other texts/faiths because they all appear man-made don't they, which you agree yourself. So we're left with the evidence route because the 'words on a page' route could lead us to believe anything couldn't it.

I could read any religious text and come to the conclusion it was about the one true way to the one true god because you're saying that there's effectively nothing that should put me off or signal alarm bells. And the evidence route leads to a big fat zero too doesn't it.

same substance

What would that substance be then caps?

Oh and Bieber's spirit is in me, please don't laugh about it.

head same substance meaning same nature of spirit.

What have you been up to with Bieber? Do you know him?

what do you think you gained

I think I felt I was part of the group, it made me feel I was 'in the club'

what now do you think was happening?

Not a lot, I was just mimicking what others were saying. I honestly can't think of a way it actually benefitted anyone. I think it helped me feel like I was channeling something but clearly there was no evidence that any such think was happening.

When you have a load of people around you speaking in tongues it makes you feel left out and the pressure to belong overrode the need for authenticity. To my shame I honestly think I just made it up. I also made myself fall over. I never did the shaking and laughing though.

And the spirit is made of?????

head sounds like there was a lot of peer pressure going on at your former church.

I don't know what spirit(s) are made if. I believe a spirit is a non physical entity. Jesus said His words were spirit. Spirit is the essence of a living thing. It is the part that gives it life. Our language is often described as living, in formalist literary theory books are living, in Genesis God spoke life into existence...so maybe language / communication has something to do with it (?)

^ made of. Typo

Thanks for the link. Looks like an utterly ludicrous theory to me, but I can't comment in detail without seeing the sources he's using.

'The Christian faith is the result of the most successful psy-ops program in history, according to a self-professed American Bible scholar. Atwill, author of “Caesar’s Messiah,” claims he’s found ancient confessions by the scriptures’ authors that they invented Jesus Christ and his story as basically a form of propaganda.'

it is the part that gives it life

Evidence? Do clostridium difficile bacteria have a spirit?

head We have talked about 'evidence' before. On these topics I essentially talk about my beliefs, much of which I believe in Faith.

My beliefs concerning spirits is by no means comprehensive. Much of what I talk about is spoken about in the Bible. I also look at references to spirit within our history and language, etymology and literary theory, cross referenced with physiology / psychology / anthropology, concerning beliefs and their effects.

I notice science does not feature in your sources to any great extent.

Re bacteria-
I remember- don't pathogenic bacteria have Satan as their driving force?

atthestroke physiology include science as does psychology (although some argue about this), I forgot to mention biosemiotics, but that could be included in language.

This is as interest of mine though, I am not doing a serious study, it is just what I like to think about.

Anyway I'm sure you have interests that include the more esoteric, as in not really scientific. Didn't you post on a Reiki thread, and say you were a practitioner?

Anyway I can talk about beliefs without backing them up with any evidence, since they are beliefs...

Ah yes here:

I did a free 6 week course run by the community learning department of the local council. Level one doesn't qualify to to treat others as a business, you need a level 2 for that, which I am waiting for. I do treat my family though

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/a2005216-Looking-for-mummies-who-practice-have-practised-reiki#45487778

Now why is this any more valid than me exploring my beliefs and sharing them?