Exactly what will happen upon my demise

[DoctorTwo]

You will have noticed the title is a statement not a question. What is certain to happen is you lot and all this will cease to exist.

I'm not trying to be mean, but that's just the way it is.

Lottie, this is also the philosophy board which is the study of the nature of reality. Either our consciousness can continue after death without a physical brain or it can't/doesn't. This makes it a philosophical question, which is why you won't have just one opinion being fielded.

Wrt the study carried out on OOB/NDE's, where researchers places images on shelves only a person up high would see, last time I read the results were as expected. No on who claimed to have had an OBE in that resuscitation unit had seen the images.

Doctor don't you think that it is the bereaved who need your words of wisdom? After all they are "vulnerable" and may need someone to protect them from "damaging and childlike bollocks"?

Head, the OP has clearly stated that the are not asking a question, but "making a statement".

You wouldn't post on a publi forum if you didn't f

I suppose it matters what other people believe if you have an interest in truth. But that's no never mind, this isn't a board exclusively for believers in any particular spirituality.

Oops sorry. You wouldn't post something and expect no one to respond.

Dione, why not spell out what you mean. Don't know about anyone else, but I don't know what you're getting at.

In different areas I take a different approach. I wouldn't promote a debate at a funeral but I would on a public debate forum.

I'm not getting at anything. I'm asking the OP questions.

Discussions are fine. Being goady and aggressive is not. The OP was very rude IMO. And there are others too who seem to feel that if someone has an opinion that does not fit with their own, the other person doesn't even deserve any respect.

I am so sick of reading posts where people say it's damaging to believe in God or any kind of spirituality. it's boring now and will not persuade anyone to change their minds.

Oh I don't know. It changed mine.

I haven't said it in this thread I don't think, but I do think it is damaging to believe random things to be true.

People have a right to do so if they wish, but as that often leads to consequences for the rest of us it's important that people considering becoming a believer at least know that it's not universally accepted. They can then make a more informed choice.

And on the subject of choice it's also important that people making laws realise that there are many citizens who don't wish to be subject to the ones that many believers demand.

Doctor don't you think that it is the bereaved who need your words of wisdom? After all they are "vulnerable" and may need someone to protect them from "damaging and childlike bollocks"?

Wisdom? Wisdom? Not here guv. As for religion being damaging and childlike bollocks, well, it's certainly damaging. It's the ultimate in societal control. They promise you the next world while busy stealing this one.

Has a religion stolen your world/life Doctor?

Religion stole a great chunk of my life and I'm still living with the effects. It's not all benign fluffy lovey stuff. Helps a lot of people at it's best, but is also extremely damaging and controlling.

it's ok to have discussions that religious people don't like or that 'won't change their minds' not everything is about them obviously.

and discussions about life, death, phenomena, meaning, ethics etc are not restricted to religion or religious people.

as i say i'm teaching a level philosophy of religion at the minute and the non theist perspective is one which is studied and the theist position is radically and rationally critiqued. philosophy (included in the name of this board) is an intellectual discipline not a fluff subject. people who engage in philosophical discussions have to exercise more than their 'beliefs' or faith.

does anyone want video links?

i've been having to dig them out for my lessons. have some great ones by philosophy professors in top uni's from both angles - atheism and theology. both sides manage to tackle it in a logical philosophical way without resort to throwing things out of the pram or tone trolling.

i can empaphise with that kay - religion harmed me too in many ways and it has been a tangled web to unweave.

I love watching philosophy videos while drinking cooking on my own.

I made some poor choices because of religion. I might have made them anyway. I'll never know.

There is little discussion in a position that says "I am right and all else is damaging childlike bollocks".

It is not that I object to people posting with a non believing perspective - what annoys me is the 'you're childish, you're damaging your children' and a lack of respect for the views of others which seems to come across on here. People could say could say that someone who cannot imagine the possibility of an existence beyond the physical which will surely turn to dust is insensitive and unsophisticated but I don't think that because I know people have good reasons for their beliefs.

I also accept that some people will have had damaging experiences with religion. But I'm not talking just about religion. Some people will have had experiences that you have not so dismissing other people when their experiences don't tally with yours is quite rude IMO.

You might not be damaging your children but you're indoctrinating them. There is no such thing as a christian baby or muslim baby, merely babies who are born to parents of those religions.

Plus, there is nothing that makes your god more real than anybody elses.

All parents indoctrinate their children. Then those children grow and develop critical thinking and make their own decisions.