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spirit in my house frightening my DD...

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hollowhallows · 21/10/2013 03:41

I have NC for this.

OK, I know some people are going to think I am a crank, but here goes...

I have been aware of a spirit/s in my house since I moved in. In my family we are thought to have 'the sight' and it has been very real to me from the experiences I had growing up and experiences I continue to have. I'm not talking miracles or talking to the other side, just an ability to sense what others cannot, such as aura and spirits etc...

Because I was aware of spirits myself as a child from my own experiences, I was always aware that my children could experience the same thing. I have dealt with having 'the sight' (I don't know what else to call it, I know 'the sight' sounds cheesy) and as I have grown older it has bothered me less and I fear the things I sense a lot less. I hope this is all making sense, I usually keep this to myself Blush

Well now my DD has started to very obviously see something that is frightening her. It is starting to become more frequent and is really upsetting her. It is always in the same place in the lounge and she runs over to me upset, crying and pointing towards whatever it is she can see. She tries to tell me but her speech isn't good enough yet, but her actions and feelings are very clear. Tonight she was so upset by whatever it was that she started crying and covering her eyes so she couldn't see it. I tried to encourage her to show me what it was that was upsetting her in case it wasn't what I thought, but she refuses to even venture to that side of the lounge when this happens. This has been going on for about 6 months but is now becoming more obvious.

I am not religious, I am not overly superstitious, but this is the one thing I genuinely believe in because I have experienced it myself. I have read stories by other MN's about their children telling them they had seen peculiar things so I'm hoping to get some input on how to handle this (and not be mocked in the process). When I sense something myself, I just ignore it. I'm not sure how to handle my DD possibly seeing things that are upsetting her.

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technodad · 26/10/2013 22:23

He decided that if he didn't wake it was definitely magic and he would believe, but if he woke, he would have proof it was a lie.

He didn't wake, but still refused to believe. That's my boy!

AndIFeedEmGunpowder · 26/10/2013 22:25

Moxie that's so sweet Smile

Techno the apple obviously doesn't fall far from the tree!

CoteDAzur · 26/10/2013 22:26

Re Santa & the tooth fairy. "They tend to work it out. Say nothing for fear they will receive no money/pressies. Then many realize how much more fun it is (particularly Christmas) when they believed. So they chose to believe for another while, all the time knowing and accepting that it's their parents"

So basically, it's an exercise in blind belief. Conditioning with presents thrown in to make suspension of disbelief more palatable.

I'm not comfortable with it but don't have a choice because all kids believe in Santa & tooth fairy.

CoteDAzur · 26/10/2013 22:27

Techno - Your method is brilliant Smile

technodad · 26/10/2013 22:31

Côte

I think it is mostly harmless, and a useful learning exercise.

Believe "this" or go to hell - bad lie

Here is a nice story (make of it what you want) and a present - good lie

The whole Santa thing is perpetuated by everyone but me (school, TV, grandparents). I don't tell the lie myself, but I don't burst the bubble either.

Besides, the other parents aren't going to be too happy if DC goes to school saying "it isn't true, my dad told me".

technodad · 26/10/2013 22:41

AFEG

In terms of the apple falling close to the tree. I wouldn't say my eldest is all that like me (more like DP), but I try to give them the tools I feel will stand them in good stead for lift (like any other parent).

I want them to feel confident in making decisions, even of they differ to others around them.

They don't believe in god, and don't pray at school (sit quietly whilst everyone else does - despite being told off for not putting his hands together on more than one occasion). I have offered that they can be excused from prayers, but they have chosen to stay with friends rather than look different. This is their choice and I respect their judgement.

I personally would like to them to not attend these assembly's (and do some other educational activity), but it is not my choice, it is theirs.

My eldest did suggest that he might set up an atheist club at his C of E school, which I thought was hilarious!

Vev · 26/10/2013 22:49

Why go to a CofE school as an atheist?

What's Christmas to a child without Santa? One time of year when the little ones can believe in magic for a little while.

The non-believers on these subjects do get a little aggressive, why join the posts if it's not something that interests you. People make their own mind up one way or the other.

hollowhallows · 26/10/2013 22:51

OK, I am still here.

I have had to skim read and finding the time over the last couple of days to reply has proven difficult.

Lets see if I can address some of the points raised...

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AndIFeedEmGunpowder · 26/10/2013 22:57

Wasn't intended as a criticism Smile

I agree about the bad lie of 'believe this or go to hell'
At Sunday school they told us American Indians and babies (i asked specifially) would go to hell if they didn't believe in God. Hmm I stopped going after that.

They also threw us chocolate bars if we answered biblical questions correctly. How's that for making suspension of disbelief more palatable?!

AndIFeedEmGunpowder · 26/10/2013 23:00

Sorry for brief hijack OP. I hope your DD is ok Flowers

technodad · 26/10/2013 23:08

Vev

That is the school the local council chose for my DC. I have no choice. I can not request a different school on religious grounds, because I am not religious.

Also, every primary school in the UK has mandatory worship.

Vev · 26/10/2013 23:17

Yep I guess they do. We have a couple of local non-religious schools but guess the local council have the last say.

curlew · 26/10/2013 23:28

"Yep I guess they do. We have a couple of local non-religious schools but guess the local council have the last say."

Not if you'r in the UK and you'r talking about state schools you don't- the's no such thing.

SpecialAgentFreyPie · 26/10/2013 23:29

Hollow I suggest you just post regarding advice and explain more about what's going with DD in your house, don't bother contributing to the debate. These sorts of debates are fairly circular IMO, whichever side of the fence you fall on.

hollowhallows · 27/10/2013 00:09

Firstly, I can't believe how far this discussion has come! I knew it might evoke some reactions but I honestly didn't think it would go beyond two pages.

Let me make one thing perfectly clear to begin with. I do not go around filling my child's head with beliefs that may frighten her. When it comes to my DD, I am very careful not to impress on her ANY type of belief system. For example, I am not a person who believes in religion, but I plan to teach my DD about all faiths and beliefs including atheism in a detached manner so that she can make her own choices as an adult. If that choice would be to follow a religion then so be it. As another example, I also come from a cultural background where boys are circumcised and girls have their ears pierced as newborn's. I have chosen to shun these traditional beliefs, as well as countless others, because I do not think it is my place to put on my DD (or any possible sons) cultural norms that they may not agree with as adults. I appreciate just how influential I am in forming the person she is to become and so I take care to not impress my own beliefs on her so she can form her own identity in as autonomous a way as possible. I don't walk around the house going "DD is it the ghost again?" Hmm

I have to say, I don't like it when others who don't believe in something dismiss or patronise another person or what they believe in.
Technodad and Curlew, I think the fact that you presume I haven't had the sense enough to check if my DD's distress is down to something else show's that you are doing this. Because I believe in something that you find unbelievable, you assume I am somehow dim and therefore unable to understand that if my DD is distressed, I should investigate the multitude of obvious (and sometimes not so obvious) possibilities that could be causing it first. I did say in my OP that this started six months ago, and that obviously shows I haven't jumped to any big conclusions and have taken the time to consider what is actually going on. In fact I said this: "I tried to encourage her to show me what it was that was upsetting her in case it wasn't what I thought, but she refuses to even venture to that side of the lounge when this happens. This has been going on for about 6 months but is now becoming more obvious."

Good for you if you don't believe in ghosts. I know why I believe in certain things and though I felt nervous of judgement when I started this thread, after reading some replies, I am glad I don't have such a narrow view on what is possible in this world. It makes for a very arrogant personality from what I see.

IRT the discussion on childhood beliefs, I was the type of child myself who didn't believe in Santa or the Tooth Fairy. I don't plan on lying to my DD about Santa or any other festive characters being real, but if she does believe in them I would never even hint that they may not be real. One of the amazing thing about children is their ability to believe in the fantastical and magical things that we adults are too cynical to enjoy. They are young just once, I wouldn't dream of taking such joy away from my DC.

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lottieandmia · 27/10/2013 00:17

You shouldn't have to explain yourself hollow - there are some people who are so dogmatic about there being 'no such thing' as the paranormal that they will keep on and on brow beating.

hollowhallows · 27/10/2013 00:18

Thank you Gunpowder, and thank you to all who have contributed advice and not judged me for my beliefs. I was going to say unconventional but its not really, is it.

Good advice Special, will try.

I tried the firm approach and asked it to leave her alone and nothing since. There is still definitely a presence but I'm not sure if it is the same presence being sensed in different parts of the house or if it is more than one.

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hollowhallows · 27/10/2013 00:22

Agree lottie.

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technodad · 27/10/2013 07:12

OP Said: "I have to say, I don't like it when others who don't believe in something dismiss or patronise another person or what they believe in.
Technodad and Curlew, I think the fact that you presume I haven't had the sense enough to check if my DD's distress is down to something else show's that you are doing this."

Erm, it is an anonymous forum, and you have name changed for your post. I have no idea who you are, and what your education levels or child care qualities are like.

If you take your child to the doctor with an cold, and the doctor says "have you tried child paracetamol" do you get 30 mates in the room and all start having a massive go at the doctor and accuse them of patronising you for not knowing automatically that you would have tried the simplest solutions first. Or do you say politely "yes doctor, we have tried that for a week, but the cold just won't shift and it has moved to DCs chest".

One of the problems here, is that people read things the way they want to read them, and assign a "tone" to what ever is written. If we met in person and had this discussion face to face, you would likely (I hope) interpret the same words as an attempt to be reassuring, rather than patronising or rude, because we would be able to use non-verbal communication at the same time. The statement that there is "no such thing as ghosts" was intended to reassure, not patronise (although in retrospect it may have been a poor choice of wording). If you did take offence to this during a face to face meeting, I would be able to judge your offence through non-verbal communication, and back-track a little to calm you down.

On a forum, people say their thoughts in an end-to-end speech, and can not judge the mood of the reader during the journey to the end of their thoughts. Therefore, what is written is written, and the damage of any misinterpretation is already done. When everyone else then immediately returns fire, people go into defensive mode and the fighting begins (often with no link to the OPs initial question or discussion point).

Sure, I have been spiky later on in the thread, with others who have had a go at me, or made stupid claims about ghost children, but none of this has been aimed at you.

There are some thread on here where I will intentionally go on to make a point, and can be quite brash, but this wasn't intending to be one of them. Maybe everyone needs to try to see the best of people when they read a post, rather than to always assume the worst.

In any case, I doubt that this will have convince you or your friends on MN of my intentions, but I thought it worth saying in any case.

I hope things get sorted with your DD soon, whatever methods you employ to help her.

Techno.

AnAirOfHope · 27/10/2013 08:30

TechnoDad I didnt know you had a son!

Why would you send your children to a COE school in stead of HE them!

I was reading the thread when drinking coffee this morning and almost chocked with "a belief in ghost is not a religion its more like a hobby". Thats so disrespectful as spirtilest that is their religion lol

technodad · 27/10/2013 08:45

Why would you send your children to a COE school in stead of HE them!

What an odd question.

Urm, because I pay my taxes so that the government educate my children, and if my DP or I stop work to home educate, we don't have enough money to pay the mortgage.

curlew · 27/10/2013 08:46

"I was reading the thread when drinking coffee this morning and almost chocked with "a belief in ghost is not a religion its more like a hobby". Thats so disrespectful as spirtilest that is their religion lol"

So, do I have to be respectful to people who believe in horoscopes?

CoteDAzur · 27/10/2013 08:53

Imho we need to be respectful to people whatever their beliefs but we don't have to respect ridiculous beliefs that people sometimes have.

AnAirOfHope · 27/10/2013 08:58

If you are so agenst religion and the only school your children were sent to was COE I think you would find snother option including putting them on the waiting list for other schools.

VoodooHexDoll · 27/10/2013 09:06

Yes Cote you would still have to be respectful if someone believed in horoscopes.