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YEC part Trois

406 replies

PedroYoniLikesCrisps · 12/05/2013 09:15

So we're still going, perhaps not as YEC as originally, but there's some good debate still occurring! Can we link from previous again?

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daftdame · 16/05/2013 16:23

January Ah I see it conflicts with the Darwinian theory of evolution...which you hold above the Bible, why?

Januarymadness · 16/05/2013 16:23

the days was simply an example based on the theme of the thread.

Januarymadness · 16/05/2013 16:24

nope it conflicts with all established and peer reviewed science in multiple fields

Januarymadness · 16/05/2013 16:25

I have no real feelings on Darwin himself or his findings

daftdame · 16/05/2013 16:26

January Fill me in then..

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 16/05/2013 16:27

The bible says the earth is flat doesn't it?

daftdame · 16/05/2013 16:29

Sabrina Where?

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 16/05/2013 16:29

Do you think the earth is flat daftdame?

daftdame · 16/05/2013 16:31

Sabrina No!

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 16/05/2013 16:33

It also says the earth is immovable and firm - we know this is not so now.

You'd think if god was the creator, and if the bible was the word of god, he'd be a bit more accurate about the physical details of his creation.

Januarymadness · 16/05/2013 16:34

i highy recommend the first thread for the science bit

daftdame · 16/05/2013 16:35

Sabrina it only works if you can give me the quotations, so I can see them in context.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 16/05/2013 16:35

The flat-earthers (and there are still some around apparently) are making the exact same claims as the yec's - that the bible is right and science is wrong.

And that's craaaazy.

daftdame · 16/05/2013 16:40

January I read a bit to no avail, don't get a lot of it. Cosmos stuff, expanding galaxies all that.

I really can't comment on the Science of it. I don't understand all the Science and you don't understand spiritual revelation. Where does this leave us?

daftdame · 16/05/2013 16:41

Sabrina As I said it only works for me with the Bible references...

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 16/05/2013 16:46

Genesis also describes the earth as having 'pillars.' Which must be an interesting challenge for the literalists.

daftdame · 16/05/2013 16:49

Sabrina quotes please or don't you want me to read in context?

daftdame · 16/05/2013 16:56

Sabrina You do understand that language is literal and symbolic, take the etymology for the word bug. Originally it described a terror which morphed into meaning insect.

Januarymadness · 16/05/2013 16:58

Science is based on tangible evidence. It is also a spectra of certainty. The more we test something and our theories are shown to be correct the higher up the specra of certainty the theory moves.

Spirituality is based on things we feel to know to be correct.

When things we feel we know are correct conflict with things high up on the certainty spectra we need to change our feelings not deny testable theories.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 16/05/2013 17:02

Isaiah 11:12
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Revelations 7:1
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

Job 28:24
For he looketh to the ends of the earth, and seeth under the whole heaven;

Job 37:3
He directeth it under the whole heaven, and his lightning unto the ends of the earth.

Job 38:4-6
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

Job 38:13
That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

Jeremiah 16:19
O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

Daniel 4:11
The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth:

Psalms 75:3
The earth and all the inhabitants thereof are dissolved: I bear up the pillars of it. Selah.

1 Samuel 2:8 For the pillars of the earth are the Lord's, And He has set the world upon them

Chronicles 16:30:
He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.

Psalm 93:1: Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm

Psalm 96:10
He has fixed the earth firm, immovable

Psalm 104:5
Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.?

Isaiah 45:18:
who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast...

A sphere does not have four corners, 'an end' or foundations. And the earth doesn't have pillars supporting it.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 16/05/2013 17:03

literal and symbolic eh?

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 16/05/2013 17:04

And I see Best is still around trying to justify (or deny? I can't really tell) slavery in the bible.

daftdame · 16/05/2013 17:09

January scientific theory is still evolving though.

The evolved theory, if only changed by one aspect, can have great ramifications if it answers what was previously thought a mystery.

Take what some psychologists are claiming about free will for example does not totally join up with how Epigenetics works. Even across different disciplines there is not much joined up thinking, or a completely common language.

Scientists themselves argue that other scientific disciplines are not science, not truly observable especially social science, psychology.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 16/05/2013 17:12

Should this bible quote be taken as literal or symbolic?

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

Januarymadness · 16/05/2013 17:14

thats what I meant by spectra of certainty. If we feel we know the earth is flat. That then conflicts with things that are observed tried and tested (and now photographed and currently seen first hand by astronauts). Do we still try to deny that it is a sphere or do we say what we felt to be right is actually wrong ( or do we argue minor points by saying it is not a perfect sphere it is ever so slightly eliptical)

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