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Does God withhold blessings from Christians who are living in disobedience?

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Jewcy · 03/05/2013 18:00

I am a Christian but my husband is not. I am desperate to be a better person in God's eyes but can not escape the instruction in 2 Corinth ch 6 re being unequally yoked to non-believers. I am nearly 42 and desperately trying to start a family (I mc'd last year). We are due to fly to the Czech Republic in June for donor egg IVF but I can't help worrying that God will not bless me with a child whilst I continue to willfully live a disobedient life. I entered into a relationship with my husband knowing that it is not God's will for me to be with a non-Christian. Am I to be forever outside of God's will? My prayer life has become almost non-existent as I don't feel I can appeal to the Lord for his blessings re a baby and yet it is all I can think about.

I guess the real problem here is that my obsession with starting a family has superceded my devotion and surrender to God's will. Please help me

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ravenAK · 06/05/2013 00:56

I've only bothered so I can check the rules to Slaughter the Atheist, tbh. It doesn't sound as much fun as Mornington Crescent, but does seem to demand more commitment from the players than Gentle Derision.

DioneTheDiabolist · 06/05/2013 01:07

Wow. I am at the direction that this thread has taken.

Jewcy you sound under stress, hardly surprising under the circumstances. I think you would benefit from having someone to talk to at this time. Can your church put you in touch with a Christian Counsellor? They will be able to see it from your POV and can help you deal with the IVF.

I'm saddened at your treatment on this thread because you are a Christian in need of support.

nohalfmeasures · 06/05/2013 01:13

www.openbible.info/topics/taming_your_tongue

Ilikethebreeze · 06/05/2013 07:59

Jewcy Jewcy.
You lost it a bit last night didnt you?
tbh, I didnt feel at all comfortable reading all those words, so I didnt.

I hope you either do not come back to this thread, or if you do, that you can see you behaved wrongly and apologise.

You come across to me as maybe trying your best God wise.
But agree that your tongue needs a lot of taming.

And unfortuneately, if you do that sort of thing in real life as well, that is sure not helpful to Christianity.

I hope you manage to find some peace.
Please ask for Gods forgiveness.
And please say sorry on here if you are able.

PedroYoniLikesCrisps · 06/05/2013 08:05

Oh! Now all understand why you brought up Ellsberg, you meant to being up Pascal but didn't want the obvious religious connotations. Forgive me for not making the connection between wagers and death.....

My thoughts on it in that case are that I do not think that wagering on god holds any weight. If it turns out I'm wrong and I have to answer to God, at least I can tell him I tried to understand through proper means.

BackOnlyBriefly · 06/05/2013 08:49

Originally I posted to counter a derogatory remark about atheists, but I do have something pertinent to the OP to add.

The internal conflict that is the root of the problem is caused by trying to obey a god. If you work out your own morals, aims and ambitions then you don't need to suffer that. Contrary to popular belief, being an atheist is not a cold, dark and painful place. It is a warm, relaxing and comfortable place without that continuous conflict between what you know is right and true and what one of the gods requires you to do and believe.

If it helps then it doesn't even matter if the gods exist or not. Since you have no way to know they do then any decent god will allow for that and forgive you for not doing things his way. So you can put it aside and wait and see.

Ilikethebreeze · 06/05/2013 09:24

Having read some more of what was said on here last night, it wasnt just one Christian who wasnt talking nicely, it was more than one.

I personally dont have a problem with non Christians being rude, offensive or nice on this MN topic.
But I most certainly do think there is a problem when Christians do it.

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Jewcy · 06/05/2013 10:06

Ilikethebreeze, Take your patronising tongue and stick it where....oops! there I go again...I see you haven't directed any of your, frankly, nauseating proselytising toward the atheists, whose rancour has unsettled and upset some kindly folks who came here for help or to offer comfort and advice.

You blatantly think atheists are immune from the parameters of kindly behaviour and that Christians must always be perfect.

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Ilikethebreeze · 06/05/2013 10:14

Jewcy, how long have you been a Christian for, and did you read nohalfmeasures helpful link?

I very much welcome non Christians on here. Whatever their tone or behaviour.

Spero · 06/05/2013 10:17

O dear.

I want going to post again as I thought you were clearly upset and a good nights sleep would put you in a better frame of mind.

There is nothing passive about my aggression. When I am pissed off I say so, as I did when I thought it was being suggested as an atheist I could have no moral compass.

I tried to be helpful in my very first post. I do think CS Lewis as a helpful take on it.

But, like so many Christians you would rather direct your energies into fretting about the wording of the scripture than actually acting in a Christian way.

So knock yourself out.

And no half measures, thanks for that link. I can now see it is not only Leviticus which is disturbing but Deuteronomy as well.

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Jewcy · 06/05/2013 10:22

Back, I am entirely uninterested in your view of gods. Do you always come onto Christian threads and try to tell believers why they should reject the one they love? Do you do that on the relationship threads too? Do you go onto a relationship thread where a wife says she feels inadequate sometimes and you tell her she has no need to be a subservient numpty and to just leave the bastard?

but I do have something pertinent to the OP to add.

No. You don't. It is interminably boring to keep hearing the same argument from atheists. You have not lived my life. You haven't been to the places I have been. You have not lost everything. You haven't had the spiritual journey and then salvation like I have. Don't presume you know everything there is to know about my God simply because you are an atheist. I'm sure you feel comfortable buttressed by the likes of Hitchens and Dawkins - those achingly groovy iconoclasts - but you are deluded and are in the dark.

Contrary to popular belief, being an atheist is not a cold, dark and painful place. It is a warm, relaxing and comfortable place without that continuous conflict between what you know is right and true and what one of the gods requires you to do and believe.

If you had read all my posts you would know that I was an atheist for twenty years. I lived a life you wouldn't believe. I feel like I am home now. I am at peace with my choices because I know God has a plan for me and He loves me more than I could even know. I simply have to read, listen and pray (and talk with other people who love God) because sometimes the answers are difficult.

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Spero · 06/05/2013 10:27

If you are genuinely at peace with your choices, why are you so aggressive and unpleasant on this thread (and others where I have read your posts)?

No doubt you will just dismiss this as another crock of shit, but you might want to reflect on it a some point.

Ilikethebreeze · 06/05/2013 10:27

Jewcy. You say in your op that you are willfully living a disobedient life.
I took that to mean just in the non equally yoked part.
But maybe you are doing it in lots of other areas of your life too?

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Jewcy · 06/05/2013 10:27

Oh, but, Spero. That is my point: I was clearly pissed off last night and - so sue me - it showed. You, on the other hand, are one of those mumsnetters who veils her derision and secret blood-boiling by this grating insouciance which appears to be The Thing To Do around these parts. I know full well you are steaming inside. Let's not pretend otherwise.

You have returned for one reason only this morning - and that is to goad and to frustrate and to upset. I will always defend God and I'm afraid I will (probably) also become angry and frustrated at times whilst doing that.

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Jewcy · 06/05/2013 10:29

I want going to post again as I thought you were clearly upset and a good nights sleep would put you in a better frame of mind.

Another crock.

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Jewcy · 06/05/2013 10:32

Spero, you may wish to reflect on why you think Christians ought to be perfect and how much joy you get from provoking them.

Breeze, you are right, I sin in other areas, too. What's your point?

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Spero · 06/05/2013 10:32

O and by the way I am neither 'deluded' or 'in the dark'. I am currently being treated for breast cancer and have a 20-30% chance of being dead in next five years.

But I am not afraid or unhappy. I will be sad not to see mu daughter grow up but I am not suddenly desparately clinging to a 'god' to make it all better.

if there is a god he will know i have tried to live a good life. If he isnt impressed by that and is angry i didn't go out stoning homosexuals, well fuck him quite frankly.

you criticise atheists for not respecting your faith, is it not just as wrong for you to call atheists 'deluded' ?

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Jewcy · 06/05/2013 10:35

I am leaving you to it. I will not return as there is nothing at all helpful coming from the haters and you have happily and successfully derailed the thread. Well done all of you.

...and Spero, do run along and stop stalking me

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Spero · 06/05/2013 10:36

Seriously. I am not steaming. I am probably at a loose end because I can't go out or do much at moment as immune system is compromised.

But I don't get joy out of baiting vulnerable people. I like to debate about interesting matters and this is one.

You are probably better off talking directly to a priest or similar than bringing your troubles to the Internet.

And you need to think about what you are projecting. I am honestly not 'steaming'. Why do you need to believe that?

Because you want to think I am sobbing alone in the dark with only my 'delusions' for company?

Spero · 06/05/2013 10:36

Sorry you feel that way. Hope you can find others to support you in real life.

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Jewcy · 06/05/2013 10:37

Crumbs, we cross-posted. I am sorry you are suffering. I promise I will pray for your recovery. Turn towards God - He loves you, Spero.

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Spero · 06/05/2013 10:41

Thanks, but I am not suffering. I will get better or I won't. No point in adding suffering to the mix.

And take comfort from your last words. god loves you. So why would he want to punish you, if you also act from love?

BackOnlyBriefly · 06/05/2013 10:42

Back, I am entirely uninterested in your view of gods.

I know that, but there may be people reading who have not yet decided and I'd like to offer them the choice of your way or mine. We don't want more people emotionally torn this way do we.

You were already having a go at atheists when I got here. I can see you'd like a rule where you get to say what you like and others get to say what you like too, but that's not how it works.

Ilikethebreeze · 06/05/2013 10:49

Jewcy. How much of your own will have you given up to become a Christian?

When you become a Christian there are 2 things you have to do.
Say sorry for things you have done wrong [ no need for a list, God already knows what we have done wrong], and believe Jesus was raised from the dead.
Did you do those 2 things?

glastocat · 06/05/2013 10:52

Blimey O'reilly! Have to say this thread isn't exactly full of Christian love!

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