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hideous hymns, vocal vicars and theatrical thuribles. Religious Chat Thread Number 6!

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nickelbabe · 17/02/2013 19:24

Welcome to the Religion Chat thread.
We're mostly Christians, but all are welcome.
a lovely soace to talk about church life, spiritual journeys and stuff in general.
It's not about debate, it's about chat.
Come oldies and newbies!

this is the previous thread

OP posts:
Dutchoma · 28/06/2013 13:11

But what time do the schools go back? And would people want that last weekend of the holiday taken up? I just don't know.

Bluetinkerbell · 28/06/2013 13:12

Maybe we should do a Doodle poll?

niminypiminy · 28/06/2013 13:18

a what???

UniqueAndAmazing · 28/06/2013 13:43

ooh, i need help again.
remember ages ago, we were sharing websites and magazines/newsheets?

well, I said i'd forward some websites onto NV to show him ideas of what the front page of a team ministry website could look like.

they're trying to redesign our emblem, and they're convinced they want it to look similar to other churches' one.
I disagree because other churches' emblem is bloody awful. I hate it. it is a dove going downwards in a flame, and i think it looks like they're burning god (the dove being the symbol for god) - i think if it were the other way up, it wouldn't create such horror in my mind!
i also don't understand why we want to look the same as them, because surely we want to reflect our own personalities as a parish?

anyway, if you've seen team ministry front pages, could you pls link them or PM to me?
thank you Thanks

UniqueAndAmazing · 28/06/2013 13:56

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UniqueAndAmazing · 28/06/2013 13:58

:( sorry you've not got a better take up for your meetup.

I did a general meetup last year and got 4 people (not even all at the same time!)

madhairday · 28/06/2013 15:20

It would be great if we could do another date, but no worries if not either.

nickel, I would link you to my old church website I designed and won an award for but they've completely messed it up and hacked it around (those who took it over) as they didn't like the cms I used, said it was too complex Hmm and it looks rubbish now :( so I wouldn't use it as a good eg

UniqueAndAmazing · 28/06/2013 16:58

ooh, that's annoying.

they were looking at doing something with wings (michael) around an image depicting mary.
I thought some of them looked interesting, but all a bit meh.

thegreenheartofmanyroundabouts · 30/06/2013 15:18

Back from retreat, priesting and general parish partying.

The sun shone and the retreat house is much nicer when there is a bit of good weather. I really need a nice Brew and about 24 hours sleep to recharge the batteries!

niminypiminy · 30/06/2013 20:37

Yay, Greenheart! Congratulations!

thanksamillion · 01/07/2013 18:02

Congrats Greenheart! Am I remembering correctly that you are in the Ely area? A friend of mine was 'done' at Ely on Sunday so I'm wondering if you know him.

We've just completed the first of four holiday clubs. The team goes back to the UK tomorrow. It's been good but the weather has been a bit dodgy and yesterday afternoon we had a huge storm.

DH drove us home (the holiday club was in the next village) and I honestly didn't think we'd make it through the mud and water. When we did get home the power was off and water pouring in through at least four different holes in the roof.

We were out all day today and I was very relieved to get home and find it back on. But DH is now back at the other village and needs to come back tomorrow morning. He may have to get a lift to the other side of the worst bit of road and walk across that and I'll pick him up on this side! We really need a 4x4 Grin

Bluetinkerbell · 01/07/2013 20:06

thanksamillion friend of my MIL was deaconed yesterday in Ely! :)

greenheart congratulations!
MIL's services was wonderful and I found it very emotional!

Jaynebxl · 07/07/2013 18:54

Hello everyone. Hope you're all ok. We finally exchanged on our house this week and complete on July 24th. Yippeeeee! We had our annual women's day at our church yesterday and I came away feeling really inspired and looking forward to doing lots of things in our new house to invite people to.

niminypiminy · 08/07/2013 13:52

Jayne great news you have a date for completion! We're just about to start the whole business of selling our house ... Something tells me we're in for a long haul.

Blue how are things going with your move?

Bluetinkerbell · 08/07/2013 19:22

Just started packing, moving in 2 weeks...
Would be great to meet up some time in August! :)

Dutchoma · 08/07/2013 19:35

Well, the date is set for the 17th August. A number of people are on holiday and so I wondered whether it might be better to change the date until I realised that I had put a notice in the church magazine. So the date is set, come who may. MHD, TUO and Greenheart can't.

Bluetinkerbell · 08/07/2013 19:54

We'll be there :) oma looking forward to it

GingerCurl · 15/07/2013 14:23

Hi all. Sorry for just barging in. This post is long but I need to rant and I figure this is the safest place to do it. Please feel free to ignore if you prefer.
Am fuming with DH! DS, nearly 6, has not fully grasped the concept of stealing so on a couple of occasions he has taken things in shops when we?ve been out and put them in his pocket. It?s been little trinket type things so not of great monetary value, but, of course, it is still wrong. The first time was 18 months ago and we only discovered it when we got home from doing our Christmas shopping. I didn?t know what shop it was from so couldn?t take him back to return it, but I explained to him that it was stealing and that stealing is wrong.
Yesterday we popped into a shop to get some things and on the counter next to the tills they had charity badges. DS wanted one. I didn?t want to buy one so I said, No. We then catch him taking one and putting it in his pocket when he thinks we?re not watching. We make him put it back, tell him it?s stealing and that it is wrong and bad behaviour.
And then it comes. My DH, the atheist lapsed catholic, says, ?Jesus cries when you do that.? I told DH firmly that was unnecessary and left it at that.
Dh has just brought up the stealing thing again, ?Oh DS is a little thief, by the way.? (as if I hadn?t noticed! 1st Grrr.)
I then say that it makes Jesus cry is unnecessary and not the way to deal with it. To which DH replies, ?Well, I don?t know what else to do. I?m not allowed to hit him.? (I?m completely against corporal punishment.) and then throws in a, ?Well you deal with it then.?
(2nd GRRRRR!)
I am so angry! He makes out it is always my fault when our son does bad things as I WILL NOT contemplate smacking and then he just cops out! What is wrong with trying to explain to the child? Why always try to intimidate or use shame as a way to modify behaviour? (3rd GRRRRR.)
(Sorry just needed to get this off my chest! Am off to carry on working on my thesis. Only two weeks left now.)

Dutchoma · 15/07/2013 15:21

Oh Ginger, so glad you felt you could come on here to rant. Yes it is safe. Yes you are right you need to rant. So sorry dh is so unco-operative in what you are trying to do with and for ds.
He is six for goodness' sake and if you have not caught him out in 18 months and dealt with it straight away in the way you did, you have done all you could and should. Your dh was very wrong in bringing 'Jesus' into it.
How is the thesis going? Praying that you will manage all you want to do and love to your ds.

Tuo · 16/07/2013 00:58

Hello Ginger... It's good to see you. Two weeks to go... I hope it's going OK for you. We've been thinking about you over on the prayer thread(s).

I think that your DH is completely wrong to react in the way he did, and unfair to put the onus onto you to teach your DS right from wrong, far less to blame you when he gets it wrong. He needs to support you in teaching your DS how to behave, and he needs to understand that smacking is not the answer. Does he understand why you objected to his reference to making Jesus cry? Maybe he thinks that this is just the way in which all religions try to impose moral behaviour on people... in some ways I'd say that my atheist DH has similar prejudices, even though he knows full well that I am not like that, for instance... and if your DH was brought up with that attitude then it may be hard for him to turn away from it. Would he be willing to draw up some basic rules that you could both try to stick to, or to read a book and agree to try to follow the ideas set out there, or something. What's sure, it seems to me, is that your DS needs to get consistent messages from both of you...

I'm sorry this isn't very constructive. I do sympathise, as our DHs sound quite similar in a way! Feel free, anyway, to come and rant her any time. This is definitely the right place to do it.

Sending love and thesis-finishing prayers....

Bluetinkerbell · 16/07/2013 12:07

Blooming I just sent an email to the rural dean to ask whether he arranged about my maternity pay, he had forgotten... Lotta is 8 months today and still haven't received part of my pay...
Hope it gets sorted soon! We could use the money!

GingerCurl · 17/07/2013 11:14

Hi again. Thank you DO and TUO for replying. DH and I do have quite different opinions in some matters. It doesn't really matter too much except when it comes to DS. It doesn't help that DH is a few years older than me and has 3, now adult, kids from previous relationships. They are all well-adjusted so his reasoning is that, "well, they turned out alright and don't hate me so I must have done the right thing." He doesn't take being questioned or criticised and tends to turn to personal attacks if and when I do. Sigh! So a lot of the time, I just shut up. Except when it comes to our son... It's hard sometimes.
Thesis is going OK-ish. I still have too much to do in the time left. I'm so very tired which means things take longer too. But... with God's grace I should just be able to get it done. Thank you for your continued prayers and support.
Right! Back to the chapter I was working on...

madhairday · 18/07/2013 22:18

It's great to see you on here, ginger! I think of you a lot. Sorry dh is being a pain, it does sound like it was a difficult situation and that would have made me mad too.

Glad the thesis is coming on well...not long to go now :)

Blue, hope the maternity pay sorts out soon, it really is very remiss of them.

1 more day of term - then 6 weeks of kiddy freedom and hopefully sunshine. I'm excited about the holidays, we're going to new wine and then to Germany for a fortnight, can't wait.

How is everyone? Nickel, you're being quiet, hope you're ok

curryeater · 22/07/2013 15:27

Hello all,
I hope you?re all well.
I have a question to ask people who know about C of E churches. Is there a common way of organising children?s music?
I am in our formal, robed choir. I would like my dds to start singing at some point, learning to read music, doing the proper choral bit. Our current set up is not suitable for them, we would need a more littly-friendly experience ? not at 9pm for instance. I was wondering how, in general, children get ?inducted? into choral singing. They sing one hymn every Sunday at Sunday school, usually a happy clappy one, they are not given music to read or attempt to read. What is the usual way of managing choir for children, at churches where children are in the choir? These are the things I am wondering:

Is it usually done on Sundays or some other time?
Do they usually get taught to read music, or do they do that in their own time in lessons organised by their parents?
Do they usually do it as a children?s thing or are general choir rehearsals slightly re-jigged so that children can join in?

I have an ulterior motive in all this. I see this as something I could help with which could be my get-out clause from having to get involved with Sunday School proper, or crèche, which I don?t want to do very much. Also if it were done in Sunday School time, it would be a way of spending time with dd1, if she wants to do it, because she wants to be with me, not at Sunday school.

We have a lot of children a little older than my dds who are about the right age to start learning, and it is something I think the new-ish vicar would be in sympathy with.

Please share your experiences of training little choristers! Thank you

UniqueAndAmazing · 24/07/2013 11:19

I didn't come on MN for about 3 days, and all of my Threads I'm on cleared!

I'm catching up now...