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hideous hymns, vocal vicars and theatrical thuribles. Religious Chat Thread Number 6!

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nickelbabe · 17/02/2013 19:24

Welcome to the Religion Chat thread.
We're mostly Christians, but all are welcome.
a lovely soace to talk about church life, spiritual journeys and stuff in general.
It's not about debate, it's about chat.
Come oldies and newbies!

this is the previous thread

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UniqueAndAmazing · 24/07/2013 11:22

Ginger - very annoying, don't blame you for ranting!
How on earth does he think most people are disciplined? does he really think that smacking is the only way to deal with a problem? :(

He needs to watch Supernanny a few times!
(only half joking)

Why can't he work out that sitting down and explaining why it's wrong first, then working out why he did it?

UniqueAndAmazing · 24/07/2013 11:32

curry - i swear you're following me around this week Grin Grin

You say you're a formal, robed choir - are you RSCM members?
if not, then it's really worth joining for their Voice for Life scheme.
WE have a junior choir (consisting of one, but we'll have another in september!) and they do a great scheme all laid out in stages for the kids to learn music theory and practice, as well as repertoire and all about being part of a choir.
We start them off at 7 or 8 (usually go by confident reader status) as probationers, they wear a cassock and do the Voice for Life White Level. When they've completed the white level (which should take about 3-4 months on average - certainly no fewer than 3 months), they get "admitted to the choir" and get a surplice. this is done in a proper ceremony in a church service.
when they've got white, they move onto Light Blue, at the end of which they get a light blue ribbon/medal, then they do Dark Blue and Red.

Junior choristers get paid for being part of the choir.
Ours is set up thus:
50p basic pay (which they get regardless of anything else)
25p per attendance (practices and services are counted as attendances)
we also have an attendance bonus - an extra 50p if they have 100% attendance in a month
dots are awarded for good stuff - effort, achievement etc (it's a small thing, so that every good thing can be rewarded, rather than having to build up to a good mark - in my experience, a chorister can quite easily lose a good mark before it's awarded because they've been naughty or not concentrating etc) - 5 dots = 1 Good Mark = 10p
so, at white level, a dot could be awarded for sitting nicely in a service, or for standing correctly, or for being able to read a phrase correctly (with rolling r and thuthing th)
our current Junior Chorister normally earns between £2.75 and £4.00 for a month

Weddings and other special services are paid separately from wages - we normally give 50p for Advent/Good Friday/9 Lessons and Carols, and Weddings are half the adults' pay (which comes out of the wedding fee)

We use fundraising events to raise money to pay the juniors - we used to have a subscription for the adults, where they paid a certain amount a term (understanding that it would be used for Choir Stuff like music and juniors)
We also have a buffet after the Advent Carol Service that raises money, and raffles every now and then. and we charge a set fee at weddings, so any spare after members have been paid goes into the Choir Fund. There are loads of ways to raise money (and often, parents will give £20 or so at christmas as a gift to the choir, which goes into the fund)

UniqueAndAmazing · 24/07/2013 11:32

all about Voice for Life here

UniqueAndAmazing · 24/07/2013 11:35

Our Junior choristers are treated like proper choir members - they aren't given "special" music to sing, because it's a bit condescending. and they are taught to read music in the correct way.
They tend to feel very grown up when treated like this, and will try really hard because they know that they are respected as a part of the choir.

and they love dressing up in the proper robes and parading every sunday!

We also give them a chance to do solos in services every now and then - the obvious one is Once in Royal... at 9 Lessons and Carols, but there are verses of anthems, or lines that they can compete for, too.

UniqueAndAmazing · 24/07/2013 11:39

practice times - our juniors start at 7:15 on Fridays and the adults join them at 7:45 (then the juniors carry on until 8:35 with the adults)

It's very important that juniors get both time on their own to learn, and also to sing as part of the full choir.
I think that 7:15 is a bit late, though, but that's more for mine and DH's convenience than anything.
You could, as an alternative, have an early practice once a week with just the juniors (say, Wednesday from 5-6pm), then have half an hour in the main adults' practice with the Juniors.

We also have a rehearsal directly before our services, which takes about 10 minutes, and is really useful as last minute practice just to cement it all in their heads and make them remember important performance techniques.

UniqueAndAmazing · 24/07/2013 11:41

All choristers under 11 will go out into Sunday school during the service - ours goes out after the gospel (because we sing the setting) and comes back after the peace for the pre-communion hymn.

(that timing depends on what you'd prefer in your own church - we do it like that because we think it's really important for the choristers to sing everything that we sing during the service)

curryeater · 24/07/2013 11:50

Thanks, Unique. Very interesting. I am not following you! I didn't mean to follow you! Sorry if I am following you!
I completely agree about not patronising them, singing the same music, etc. One of the things I loved about music when I was younger (not choral, was in orchestras) was that we were treated like pros.

Our choir is small and new. I don't think we are RSCM members. I will read all that, thankyou so much

UniqueAndAmazing · 24/07/2013 13:11
Grin i don't mind you following me Grin

the membership is worth it - you also get discount off music, and all the resources of VfL is great.

you could always show the video footage of the cathedral choirs - that should get them interested :)

niminypiminy · 26/07/2013 07:48

Just popping in to say hello!

UniqueAndAmazing · 26/07/2013 13:41

i think everyone was put off by my massive posting about choirs Wink

madhairday · 26/07/2013 22:25

Waves too! As soon as I read curry's post I thought 'aah, that's one for nickel' and indeed it was, you answered it very comprehensively! I have nothing to add as I have no experience of choirs since I was around 13 years old.... Grin

How is everyone? This dropped off my threads too. I believe Blue has moved now? Hope it is all going well. How are you niminy?

Finished writing my NW seminar! I'm very nervous about the delivery but happy with the content I think.

Bluetinkerbell · 27/07/2013 08:13

Yes we've moved and getting ready to go to Taizé tomorrow :) sooo looking forward to that

madhairday · 27/07/2013 12:08

Oooh have a lovely time! :) Envy

Jaynebxl · 27/07/2013 19:26

Blue have you moved near us now or have I just made that up? Niminy why are you moving? Are you staying local?

We moved on Wednesday and have about half of our million boxes still to unpack. Absolutely love the new house though. Now recovering / escaping it all at the folk festival.

Can't really add anything to the choir question since I've never really been to a church with a choir!

Bluetinkerbell · 27/07/2013 19:47

Yes jayne we're about 10 mins south west of Cambridge! :)
Where did you move to?

madhairday · 27/07/2013 20:41

Have fun unpacking Jayne. Are you still off to NW as well?

niminypiminy · 27/07/2013 21:46

Ooh Blue hope you have a fab time at Taize! A friend of mine went a few years ago and says it was a really special time for him.

Jayne well done on getting moved at last -- it's such a stressful process isn't it? We need to have a bit more space (our current house is really teeny). It's really odd having people trooping around your house, although I admit that it does look nice, mostly because we spent four solid days tidying it up Blush. Anyway we'll be staying in Cambridge. Now there are three of us round here it would be great to meet up (four actually, counting Mary).

Dutchoma · 28/07/2013 10:16

Jayne are you still planning to come to the meet-up? Blue and Mary are coming even if MHD and Niminy cannot.
It's nearly August...

thanksamillion · 29/07/2013 06:10

Hi all, you'd dropped off my threads too .

Am Envy of anyone moving house for more space at the moment. We've got a two bedroom house and DD1 (8yo) is getting very fed up with sharing with the other two.

Also, we've got around 18 house guests at the moment Shock. We've got a team of 8 from the UK here, but also a team of Moldovans working alongside them and they're pretty much all staying here! We did a holiday club last week finishing with an evangelistic concert last night and we start another one in a different village tomorrow.

Hope you're all enjoying the summer holidays Smile

Dutchoma · 29/07/2013 11:29

Sounds like you must all sleep standing up Millie. Grin

UniqueAndAmazing · 29/07/2013 17:08

now I'm doing dilemma time again.
Hmm

for the past 2 weeks, NV has been on holiday.
for the past 2 weeks, no one has collected DD to take her to the tower during the service.

and I don't know why. It's not like any of them aren't talking to me, I have had proper conversations with them all.
It's just no one has mentioned why they haven't taken DD.
last week I thought it might be because on of the CWs was off and they didn't have enough cover (but everyone else who usually takes her was there), but then it happened again this week.

I really don't know how to broach it. A couple of weeks ago, NV spoke to me about the "rota" for looking after DD and that he was worried they might feel obliged to do it: I replied that I hadn't had a say in it, but they had whisked her off and told me that they would take it in turns to look after her. Then suddenly they're not taking her anymore.

I don't mind if it was agreed that I have her in the service (even though it's a proper annoyance when she's being fussy and I'm trying to sing!), but it's more the fact that not one single person has spoken to me about it.
I think I'm going to email NV and ask him if he knows anything about it, but then I don't want to look like I'm going "why is no one taking my child? I've got important things to do!" (actually, that's also the main reason why I want to email him instead of talking to the others - I really don't want it to look like I'm expecting them to look after my child because I'm too important to do so myself)

And I'm getting fed up of having to confront people, because I do sound like I'm being a mardy/bolshy/arrogant bitch when I do! (because I blurt when I'm scared)

Dutchoma · 29/07/2013 18:47

Could you not say to the friendliest of the bunch:"I have lost the plot on who is taking dd?" That way you don't need to 'confront' anyone, it is just your pig stupidness that has got muddled.

Dutchoma · 29/07/2013 18:48

Not that I think you are pig stupid of course Grin

UniqueAndAmazing · 30/07/2013 13:24

mmm.
I asked NV for help.
he basically reiterated what we had talked about (ie: nothing had gone further than when we spoke about it), and said that I had to raise it myself :(

UniqueAndAmazing · 30/07/2013 13:25

and Grin to pigstupid

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