Reiki

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Has anyone tried Reiki? Could you tell me a little bit about it?

As with homeopathy, if you have tested a therapy against a whole bunch of different illnesses it is supposed to help with and found no improvement over sham treatment then it is time to stop being open minded and start using your brain....

Ah, I don't know, maybe it is all a bag o' shite.

It is hard though when you have experienced something useful and several times too not to argue that it had a positive effect on YOU.

I cannot help feeling that maybe it hasn't been explored in the right way. I'm going to to leave it now though.

My last post was a x-post to your last two not a reply

okay...but you are right. It really IS hard to discount your own experience. And don't forget that the sham treatments always show a measurable improvement. So the improvement you felt is not necessarily incorrectly assigned to the treatment...it just would have been the same with a sham treatment.

heh same x-posts all the way...

I think reiki is great, I love having it and giving it. I don't really feel any need to prove it to anyone else though. I know what I feel at the time, I know I feel better in myself afterwards and I know what changes for me afterwards. It's my belief that it's beneficial, I don't need anyone else's approval, agreement or to see any research studies.

heh heh heh...we really do live in a post rational world....Newton would be truly astonished at how far backwards we have gone since his time.

So here is waxtart living in the 21st century content that her feelings are more important than reality....dismissing the idea of proof in favour of actively avoiding understanding where her feelings actually come from.

And there is Newton living in the 17th century, unwilling to call the results of his physics experiments "proof" until he could determine exactly how the human eye, that he used to observe the splitting of white light, worked.

400 years ago Newton was prepared to stick needless in his eye and partially blind himself in order to prove that what he found was objectively true.

And waxtart can't even be arsed to read a research paper.

Now that's what I call progress.

Its not that I can't be arsed, I just don't feel any need to. I feel better, things change for me after I've had reiki - that's all I need to know.

Well thats even worse really. You genuinely don't think its important that something be objectively true? All you require is a nice little subjective world view where you are right and everyone else can go hang?

Like I said we have come a long way since Newton...in completely the wrong direction.

Not at all, I don't think I'm right and those who don't agree are wrong. We just have different opinions and beliefs. And that's fine with me.

yeah it's just that some opinions are right and some are wrong.

But don't let the objective truth bother you....although I am glad you don't object to other people believing things that have been scientifically demonstrated to be the case....that's very big of you.

But seriously how can you be "fine" with believing in something which has been shown not to work?

Are you a bit like the crazies on Jeremy Kyle that continue to maintain they didn't sleep with anyone else even though the DNA test shows he WASNT the father?

I mean I'm sure they would like to leave it at, well I believe he is the father and he just has a different belief. But there is the whole matter of the FACTS to figure in there.....

Entrophygirl can you link to the papers

what good would that do? you just carry on in your little rainbow bubble....

Oh come on. You cant claim there are papers which prove reiki doesnt work but then refuse to say where they are. I am happy to read them but then maybe you have just made up their existance.
also with regards to the placebo effect how do you explain how it works on children,animals and plants.

In other news music is effective in reducing pain levels....

angel look them up yourself if you are bothered. Google will work for you too.

Are you denying the existence of the placebo effect? Really?

So a dozen people on this thread have experienced positive results from reiki.

Four people think it's codswallop and are determined to close down debate by sneering and using personal attacks.

Still no actual papers though eh?

X post, angelicstar.

man it is REALLY hard to find reviews that don't just list all of the trial designs as crap.

try these but honestly I just typed Reiki control trial into google.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18991519

tspace.library.utoronto.ca/bitstream/1807/31961/1/vandervaart_sondra_201111_PhD_thesis.pdf.pdf

Entrophy girl i feel quite sorry for you. You clearly gain some sort of satisfaction from bullying and belittling others beliefs. I wonder why? You have critisised those that believe in reiki for not having proof and yet you have refused to give any proof of the study that ays reiki doesnt work. I do hope you find the peace you are looking for.

Music is also effective in encouraging plants to grow.

Could you link to these research papers you've mentioned please?

Are you also atheist or agnostic? Your comment at 17:09 about being fine with something which has been shown not to work, makes me want to ask how all the people with religious beliefs out there feel. There is absolutely no proof of a god or other deity yet there are billions of believers.

If someone has faith in something, be it a placebo medicine or alternative healing technique then what is the harm in them doing so? They are harming no-one, and if they actually benefit from whatever they are doing then does it really matter?

Ok will read them and comment