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The anti woo thread.

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LetThereBeRock · 04/02/2011 16:22

Can all those who don't believe in homeopathy,ghosts,talking to the dead,reading minds etc,please check in here?

There must be a few of us.

I feel as though I've logged onto allthingswoo.com rather than Mumsnet.com at the moment,and I'm not referring to this particuarly forum,but chat and AIBU?.

And if anyone says anything about how we should be openminded,I'm afraid I'll have to beat you to death with a a stick,one cut from an ash tree by the light of the first Summer moon of course.

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Normantebbit · 05/02/2011 20:02

Why talk about anything Appletrees? Why discuss politics or religion? Sure many religious people feel superior to me and my children as we are not religious, DP and I are not married and thus have loose morals and my children have no moral grounding apparently.

It's a relief to talk to like minded people who do not believe in sky fairies.

Undutchable · 05/02/2011 20:06

We'll be told we're closed minded next Grin

Appletrees · 05/02/2011 20:07

Actually it's about the people and your "stupid brainless" friends who "actuall believe in this stuff"

most mature people can have converation without the need to abuse

I don't think Einstein laughed at people stupider than he was

though that's not peer reviewed fact so I may be wrong

Undutchable · 05/02/2011 20:10

well I have been called smug and defensive. oh and tetchy. not free of abuse then...

coldtits · 05/02/2011 20:11

Well yes, you may be.

That's the point of waiting until you have the facts before you make decisions, really.

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LetThereBeRock · 05/02/2011 20:12

Appletrees,It's nice to be able to talk without having to pretend that I think that crystals really can heal people,or pixies really might exist because we can't prove that they don't.

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Normantebbit · 05/02/2011 20:14

What pisses me off is most woo comes with a hefty price tag and in the case of spiritualism, highly dubious ethics.

I was flogged some homeopathic crap by Boots while buying aqueous camomile lotion, to help' lessen the symptoms of chickenpox' and it cost me about £20. It was a total hard sell by the checkout lady and I gave in.

sethstarkaddersmackerel · 05/02/2011 20:14

yes, of course you know better than we do ourselves what we are talking about Hmm. I bow to your superior knowledge whether or not it has foundation.

Undutchable - didn't we get 'closed-minded' aaaaages ago? Grin

Undutchable · 05/02/2011 20:15

Oh probably. I had a candle in my ears at the time

Undutchable · 05/02/2011 20:16

(I do have a LOT of wax though - do you think I should stop putting wax candles in my ears and adding to it?)

sethstarkaddersmackerel · 05/02/2011 20:22

Normantebbit - quite; I always find it incredible how wooists often talk as if conventional medicine=Big Pharma=all about money=bad whereas no-one makes any money out of wooey things at all.

whereas the reality is that businesses like Boots happily jump on woo bandwagons and plenty of people earn nice livings out of selling wooey stuff to the naive and sometimes vulnerable. And nearly all the people I know who work in actual medical research are earning an awful lot less than they could have done in other fields.

Appletrees · 05/02/2011 20:33

who said I know more or less than you? we have the same opinions largely it seems

except that you are desperate to put down everyone else, mock them, call them stupid, call them brainless yada yada

yes there's abuse from me and plenty of it

I assumed you wouldn't mind as you're all so generous with it yourselves

MrsDV is the only person with a genuine reason to be angry and cruel about it, after what happened to her, and she's the most measured

Appletrees · 05/02/2011 20:35

why are you accusing yourselves of being closed minded

it's like you can't engage unless someone is saying the thing you want them to say which will then give you the prompt to be childish again

I'm accusing you of being big headed, self important, self righteous and bumptious

coldtits · 05/02/2011 20:53

I would ask you to prove that I have been big headed, self important, self righteous and bumptious on this thread, please Appletrees.

Undutchable · 05/02/2011 20:59

you are of course right, Appletrees. Good job you pointed it out. Thank you.

sethstarkaddersmackerel · 05/02/2011 21:05

It's amazing how Appletrees knows so much about all of us that she knows who has a reason to be angry about woo merchants and who hasn't.

now that's arrogance.
Or possibly telepathy.

Hullygully · 05/02/2011 21:05

Poor Appletrees just wants to have a fight.

Surely someone will play?

sethstarkaddersmackerel · 05/02/2011 21:06

I know, she is one of those serial fighters, I remember her from other threads.

sethstarkaddersmackerel · 05/02/2011 21:08

Appletrees is a bit funny but woo is funnier.

we haven't done angels yet have we?
that is really weird, it's a Christian idea that only reappeared after Christianity itself declined. I wonder how the numbers of people believing they have a guardian angel compare with the numbers of people actually going to church.

Undutchable · 05/02/2011 21:10

Repent all. Appletrees Knows The Truth. About us all.

thefirstMrsDeVere · 05/02/2011 21:35

Most people I know who bang on about angels see them as something totally removed from religion.

I find that a bit odd. One woman said to me (sigh - re DD's death)

'you should really get into angels, my friend is in to them, she says they are great' Hmm

what the blummin blum does that mean?

How do you 'get into' angels. Is it like getting into Take That or Crown Green Bowling?

sethstarkaddersmackerel · 05/02/2011 21:59
Confused
PacificDogwood · 05/02/2011 22:01

I did not want to get involved in a bun fight, sorry.

Loved the Hope Ear Candles discussion - why oh why would that apeal to anybody??

MrsDeVere, it's stories like your that make me so very angry and sad: when people are at their most vulnurable and scared and sometimes in pain, ready to clutch at almost any straw that is offered to them, the snake oil peddlers comes out of the woodworks Angry. There is of course nothing at all wrong with taking comfort from whatever source and many coplementary therapies are very relaxing, enjoyable and a lot more person-centred than conventional medicine typically is. But they will not cure anybody.
I am glad your daughter got some comfort out of her treatments.

May I just mention one of my bugbears? Namely the fact that homeopathy and herbal medicine so often get mentioned in the same breath as if they were the same thing!! They are NOT: herbal medicine works as it countains active ingredients in the form of chemicals. Which can have unwanted sideeffects. And interfere with other meds. And often work. Should be prescribed by a trained herbalist only.
Whereas homeopathy contains.....eh, let me htink... water? Memory/imprint of a molecule? Purleeeese! On the plus side, homeopathy does not harm anybody...
Hmm That's all right then and that'll be £100 Angry

Appletrees · 05/02/2011 22:50

Twats.

You're claiming I'm saying something I'm not because that's easier for you to deal with. All that stuff abot highly dubious ethics. No, you just want to laugh at people.

If you're so interested in the highly dubious ethics and the placebo effect, how come you haven't even begun to consider how the placebo effect doesn't exist without the highly dubious ethics. Maybe the placebo effect is worth the highly dubious ethics. Maybe a path of healing is open to people who are more credulous?

How ironic if that were true.

Cranial osteopathy worked on my baby. Either it worked, and did what it said on the tin, or it didn't work, and what made the difference was the osteopath's supreme confidence that it would and our confidence that she was right. Maybe all that confidence defused the tension around the baby, and the two days of pooing after two weeks of constipation which followed every visit was simply a result of the baby being handled by someone completely relaxed, and us being completely relaxed because we "knew" it would work. It's very possible, obviously. All that relaxation = and end to constipation. Makes sense.

Obvious too that in the second case the highly dubious ethics ie the "lie" surrounding c.o. would be what makes it work.

You need the lie and you need the highly dubious ethics that go with it. It's interesting even to a sceptic.

All you lot do is snigger and snort.

Appletrees · 05/02/2011 22:54

Seth do you have a reason to be angry?

Serial fighter? just can't stand the self-congratualtory "aren't they all so stupid" attitude

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