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Puppy got sworn at and kicked by a jogger today...

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notimefortv · 21/02/2010 21:17

she is only little and looks like a teddy bear - Bichon and toy poodle cross - can't even reach your knees if she jumps up.

Walking in woods with a friends and her lab x puppy and 5 children under 5 with us (2 in a buggy and 3 running around). Going a long a path and a jogger is running up - he shakes his head as he passes us as the pups have shown some interest in him - they come back to us but go back up to him when he is further away - he then stops and screams at mine to F Off but she sniffs a bit more so he boots her in the stomach. I couldn't believe it - most people at least give me the chance to say I'm sorry and am training her etc.

He was too far away to say antyhing although some other walkers shouted at him but then off he ran.

Please tell me that I will be more traumatised than the dog? Was in a wood with loads of dog walkers so can't believe it doesn't happen to him all the time.

Had just taken her off the trainng line but quickly put it back on - now need to re-gain my faith in mankind.

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GrimmaTheNome · 22/02/2010 09:33

Poor pup, what a nasty man.

He may have had some bad experiences in the past from non-teddy dogs, and even a friendly sniffer can be a serious trip hazard. Dogs and runners really don't mix well - ditto and moreso cyclists. As a dog owner, off-road cyclist and occasional jogger I'm deeply grateful that round here people seem to be very good at getting their dogs under control well before there's a close encounter.

paddingtonbear1 · 22/02/2010 09:44

I'm a cyclist and I used to jog, and freely admit that I'm not at all keen on dogs. Many of them really don't like cyclists - if I'm on the old railway track round here and see one off the lead that looks like it's going to run after me, I just stop and wait. I'd never even think of hurting it - that's so out of order! Poor puppy.

morningpaper · 22/02/2010 09:54

I don't blame him

Your dog ran after him while he was jogging - sorry but that is one of my biggest fears - the dog was too far away for the owner to control it and it was after ME. I have no idea what is a 'safe' dog and what isn't or what is a puppy and what isn't. I don't blame him, I would guess he was scared rather than malicious.

Disenchanted3 · 22/02/2010 09:59

Yes because if you are scared a puppy is going to attack you the wisest thing is to kick it, because thats not going to provoke a dog already waiting to attack is it?

Not that OPs dog was going to attack its a curious puppy. People need to remember puppies are BABY dogs, would you expect a 18 month old to understand and respond to mummy constantly?

morningpaper · 22/02/2010 10:01

How am I supposed to know what is a puppy and what is a vicious ratter? And if a dog chases after me (while, I assume, it's owner is shouting at it to return) and is too far away for the owner to recall, and I shout at it but it ignores me, and I am terrified, sorry but I would probably give it a kick out of the way too

littleducks · 22/02/2010 10:10

Its hard to judge the situation but i think you all are to blame.

You say that the dog returned to you, why didnt you hold its collar/put it on a lead at that point?

It is not fair to inflict you dogs on everyone else they shouldnt be allowed to go up to people and sniff them, if you cant control them, they should be ON A LEAD. Can't you train it on one of those long flexi lead until she is reliable?

I wouldnt have kicked the dog unless i thought it was an actual threat, i normally stick to aslking the owners to get it away from me, but it sound like the jogger was fed up of irresponsible owners. If it was going to bite him, it was fair to kick it, though to be fair its doesnt sound like a dangerous dog more of a grumpy jogger.

BendyBob · 22/02/2010 10:28

Maybe he's been bitten before whilst out running. Exactly that happened to me and it was horrible.

I absolutely hate dogs running up at me even more now.

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notimefortv · 22/02/2010 10:29

thank you all for you helpful advice re training etc. She's not too full of beans today - am taking her to the vets in the morning just to get her checked out.

I can undertsand that there are a lot of people who are scared of dogs -

THIS IS NOT ACTUALLY HER but SHE LOOKS LIKE THIS topdogresort.com/images/400/pogo.jpg

Not too threatening looking I think?!

I also jog but just think people get so angry about anything these days and maybe need to give others a break from time to time

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Bella32 · 22/02/2010 10:34

There is no justification for anyone kicking a 5 month old small breed pup in the stomach. End of.

Hope she's okay - please let us know how you get on x

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notimefortv · 22/02/2010 10:38

To all those looking to blame me - I understand where you are coming from - I have admitted that I need to work hard on training her - I think mistakes happen to everyone don't they, and we use them to learn from?

I think it's sad when a thread which asks for support or advice turns a little nasty.

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abride · 22/02/2010 10:42

She's a sweet little dog.

GetOrfMoiLand · 22/02/2010 10:45

You should have kept your dog on a lead.

I don't care if it is a cootchie coo puppy wupsie or if the dog looks like Kujo, if you dog is running up to people you should take responsibility and make sure it doesn't.

Why should the jogger have some random dog jumping up round his feet tripping him up? It is up to you to stop that.

Not to condone someone booting a dog, but I certainly would have shouted at a dog (and its owner) that came running up to me.

Until the dog is trained properly you should keep it on a lead in a public place.

How would you feel if an unknown dog came up to your young dc and started jumping up?

Bella32 · 22/02/2010 10:46

So if a toddler runs up to a jogger it's okay to kick a toddler, is it?

Barmy.

GetOrfMoiLand · 22/02/2010 10:49

DSon't be daft Bella - a toddler is not a dog. That is a ridiculous comparison.

And my post I mentioned that in no way condoned kciking a dog. But he was in his right to be pissed off at the owner.

morningpaper · 22/02/2010 10:49

you seem confused Bella

toddler

hound

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notimefortv · 22/02/2010 10:53

I'm learning , she's learning - did you never have to learn with kids? - things happen you learn you move on - I don't need to be told anymore I should have kept my dog on a lead. HOW CAN THAT COMMENT HELP?

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Bella32 · 22/02/2010 10:54

Well, you see I'm not talking a hugely overweight labrador (part of the gundog group, not hounds, btw) but a very small pup who probably weighs - I don't know - 5kg or so?

It's very small and very young and doesn't always do exactly as it should. It's learning. It poses no threat - any idiot can see that, and can be got round quite easily without dealing it a blow which can rupture its diaphragm, puncture its liver or any one of a multitude of very serious injuries.

Maybe I'm a bit odd, but I never find that kicking anyone or anything is the way to sort things out.

You guys seem to be up for it though, so I shall leave you lovely people to it.

OP - hope the pup's okay.

Original poster
notimefortv · 22/02/2010 10:56

thanks Bella - 5kg maybe one day - only 3kg at the mo!!

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morningpaper · 22/02/2010 10:56

I am scared of dogs because I have been bitten

I am not that interested in learning the difference between breeds and identifying the ages and possible behavioural traits of dogs

I just don't want the feckers running after me

GetOrfMoiLand · 22/02/2010 10:57

HOW CAN THAT COMMENT HELP?

WELL, MAYBE NEXT TIME YOU WILL PUT YOUR DOG ON A LEAD.

How can you cpompare training dog to training a child.

They are dogs not kids.

Rificulous sense of entitlemnet re dogs on this thread.

Yes you may love your dogs but lots of other people don't and why should they have to put up with a dog milling round your feet when they are out for a run.

MrsL123 · 22/02/2010 10:58

I hope I never meet any of you out jogging then! If someone kicked my dog they'd not be capable of jogging for a while, I can tell you. I'd take as kindly to someone kicking my dog as I would to them kicking me, and I would react the same way to both. Yes, ok the dog shouldn't have run round his feet. But to kick it. Nope, sorry, no excuse whatsoever to justify that. If I got in a jogger's way, do I deserve a good slap? All I can say is it takes a very special type of person to kick a puppy...

Now NTFTV, make sure you keep your viscious little fluff ball killer under control today, wont' you?

morningpaper · 22/02/2010 11:01

this thread is confirming all my worst thoughts about dog owners TBH

MrsL123 · 22/02/2010 11:01

While we're doing comparisons:

Threat

Terrifying threat

MrsL123 · 22/02/2010 11:02

That's funny, it's confirming all my worse thoughts about joggers.

overthemill · 22/02/2010 11:03

this thread is going mad! It is very obvious with most breeds when they are young puppies. It is an offence to mistreat animals and kicking is mistreating - it wasn't actually attacking anyone was it?

Puppies need training and practice and it is entirely reasonable to use a family walk on a sunday to practice recall. Non dog owners are often a bit scared but i reckon tolerance levels to dogs have reduced along with all common sense since the dangerous dogs act. yes, some dogs are dangerous but baby bichon poodle x? I think not.