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My dog attacked a dog today

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Psychgrad · 11/12/2021 20:15

I’m so down and shaken up all day from this.
Dp and I adopted our staffie from Battersea 2.5 years ago, she was difficult for the first year despite us putting her through rigorous training, she was aggressive towards other dogs (not reactive but started a lot of fights while playing). During the first lockdown, we saw a huge improvement in her or so we thought. I used to muzzle her but in the last year I’ve relaxed that as she’s been so good with other dogs (albeit rough and bossy, but good nonetheless).

Well she recently got thrown out of her daycare for pinning other dogs down, we put it down to the daycare being too busy for her so began fo work on training her around dogs (giving treats when she was polite around other dogs etc.). That was going well, her recall is amazing, everyone compliments it and says they wish their dog had recall like ours.

Then today all that changed, at first the walk was going well, I was practicing recall with her and our other new rescue dog (who is an angel), when next of all she attacked a dog out of the blue for absolutely no reason at all. I think the other dog wasn’t very interested in her as she approached rather impolitely, then they had a bum sniff and it seemed to be ok. I went over to put her on the lead as I didn’t want her to play while I had both dogs with me as it’s too much to handle. Before I had a chance to get her on the lead she just jumped on the dog and had to be pulled off by the owners of the other dog. No blood was drawn but I am really embarrassed and depressed by all of this. I thought we’d passed all of this behaviour. I think I might muzzle her from now on, we used to let her have the ball as she would hyper focus on that and if we didn’t have the ball, we’d just muzzle her. I think this is the best solution. We had two behaviourists when we first got her so I’m reluctant to find another one as they weren’t great tbh. One helped me with desensitizing her to things she was afraid of (people, bikes etc) but she was not great at dealing with aggression and seemed terrified of her even though my dog was terrified of her. The other behaviourist was more of a dog trainer and was very inconsistent/ lazy with her business. If anyone recommends a really good behaviourist I might consider it, we’re in london. Can you really change your dogs temperament though? She’s not a young dog, maybe 5 or 6 but is highly strung and OTT as if she’s still a puppy. She’s also incredibly smart and obedient when she knows I have treats etc. It’s really annoying me as I should be paying attention to our new dog so he can be trained properly. He’s the most chilled out dog and is completely unphased by anything. Strangely my staffie gets on well with him and seems very submissive around him, he’s about three times her size!
Please help, I’ll never rehome unless I really couldn’t handle her which I can when she’s muzzled or on a lead.

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Hellocatshome · 11/12/2021 20:22

I think possibly it wasn't a great idea to get another dog when this one needs so much work butbwhats done is done. I would probably say it is safest to keep her on the lead and muzzled if necessary and take her and you other dog to private secure dog walking fields for off lead time.

MeltedWax · 11/12/2021 20:29

Sounds like she needs a lead & muzzle at all times when out on walks.

Private, fenced in field only for off lead time. Even the best trainer in the world wouldn't be able to guarantee she won't hurt another dog. I'd be concerned about your new dog too and never leave them unsupervised.

MynameisWa · 11/12/2021 20:29

Put a muzzle on and you can relax. Not the same but my dog kills squirrels quite often. I might get one for her as it’s a bit antisocial and embarrassing when out in public.

I don’t think you should trust your dog. If they are that way inclined they probably wont change and it’d only take one event….

Santahatesbraisedcabbage · 11/12/2021 20:33

One of my ddogs is extremely well behaved when out alone. A bloody shit head when our most recent ddog (of 2 years) is with her..
Maybe walk her alone for now op? I get that's not easy /convenient.. We have 4 and it's either ddog 1 alone or the other 3 together.. Dh takes whoever is left later on!

heythereamigo · 11/12/2021 20:35

Agree with lead and muzzle. it will be more relaxing for you all round. Also, a lot of trainers will advise against using a ball. It’s bad for their joints, but it also gets them hyped up- much better to use walks as an exercise in relaxing sniffing about in bushes rather than something that gets their adrenaline up.

SweetBabyCheeses99 · 11/12/2021 20:37

The warning signs were there when she got kicked out of doggy daycare. Actually before that really, there’s a reason that rescues are overrun with these bull terrier breeds.

rwalker · 11/12/2021 20:40

Honestly you've tried I think I'd call it a day to risky that could of been a child .

UrsulaBursula · 11/12/2021 20:46

I’m unsure why you thought it might be a good idea to get another dog when the one you currently have is showing signs of behaviour problems.

I do think you should either keep the dog muzzled and on a lead or look at another permanent option like re-homing as that behaviour isn’t safe.

It’s only a matter of time before she attacks another animal/ person or child.

Psychgrad · 11/12/2021 20:48

Yes I do feel more relaxed when she has a muzzle on so will go back to using hat. Also, when she has a ball she is completely zoned out and is hyper focused on me so that’s also good but it’s not great for her arousal I agree.

I would say at this point she is great with dogs 9/10 times but it’s that one incident that could land her (and me) in very big trouble. It’s such a pity because she has so much potential. I’d love to put her in agility classes but don’t think I could trust it.

One thing I can think of that could be explaining her behaviour is that I have been slightly lazy lately and haven’t taken her on her usual long walks. She was getting 1-2 hours walks a day now it’s reduced to about 30-60 minutes. It might explain some of her behaviour. Also, I think having her out with the other dog is making her ‘protect her pack.’ Ugh why can’t she just relax and be a good dog? I feel for her, she never really gets what she’s done wrong, just looks at me with her little submissive rescue face when she knows I’m annoyed.

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SpanielsAreMyLife · 11/12/2021 20:48

I'd book a vet check, just to be sure that it's not a reaction to pain or something. Often, irritability/snapping is a sign that something just isn't quite right.

Psychgrad · 11/12/2021 20:53

Regarding comments about people/ children.

She’s great with children actually, absolutely loves them and is really gentle with them. She is curious with people but sometimes nervous, has never shown any aggression towards people but used to be nervous of strangers.

The comments about why I got another dog - not that it’s your business but we did it because she had improved so much amd showed very little aggression in 18 months so I we decided to adopt another rescue.

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HolidaysAreHolidays · 11/12/2021 20:54

Think about the trauma you have caused to the other dog and owner and take responsibility. You know your dog is problematic having been kicked out of daycare etc and you allowed this to happen.
Either do the work or rehome this dog.

ShowMeTheSugar · 11/12/2021 20:54

Sounds like you know what's triggered her latest behaviour- reduction in exercise and a change in the home with another new rescue. The muzzle may also have relaxed her, some dogs are less tense because its a bit of protection around her face.

Honestly, you knew she has limits and it sounds like she's been set up to fail in this instance. I'd up her walks, do lots of scent work and keep her muzzle on.

Psychgrad · 11/12/2021 20:54

@SpanielsAreMyLife that’s a good idea actually. It would make a lot of sense as it really has come out of nowhere

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Theremoresefulday · 11/12/2021 20:55

Good luck op.

Psychgrad · 11/12/2021 20:59

@ShowMeTheSugar thanks, she loves scent work

@HolidaysAreHolidays well yeah I am thinking of the trauma caused to the other dog, if you read the post you would have seen that I explained how I have been depressed about it all day and this is what led me to come on here for advice. I am doing the work which also should be obvious since I explained that I was doing training on the walk this morning and I believe I also explained we have had two behaviourists in the first few months that we had her so I’m not sure how your comment was supposed to enlighten me?

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Psychgrad · 11/12/2021 21:01

Thanks for all the genuine comments that were actually helpful and not judgemental. Gotta love mumsnet for some late evening bitchiness.

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Janeandjohnny · 11/12/2021 21:02

@Psychgrad

Yes I do feel more relaxed when she has a muzzle on so will go back to using hat. Also, when she has a ball she is completely zoned out and is hyper focused on me so that’s also good but it’s not great for her arousal I agree.

I would say at this point she is great with dogs 9/10 times but it’s that one incident that could land her (and me) in very big trouble. It’s such a pity because she has so much potential. I’d love to put her in agility classes but don’t think I could trust it.

One thing I can think of that could be explaining her behaviour is that I have been slightly lazy lately and haven’t taken her on her usual long walks. She was getting 1-2 hours walks a day now it’s reduced to about 30-60 minutes. It might explain some of her behaviour. Also, I think having her out with the other dog is making her ‘protect her pack.’ Ugh why can’t she just relax and be a good dog? I feel for her, she never really gets what she’s done wrong, just looks at me with her little submissive rescue face when she knows I’m annoyed.

Im going to say this kindly. I think you dont know enough about dog behaviour- she had warning signs that you missed.You are essentially dealing with a loaded gun with bull breeds and you cannot have this dog off lead or unmuzzled. She should never be free to play with other dogs. Dogs from rescue come with a variety of lifelong issues as they have missed essential socialisation. The dog she attacked will now have lifelong hangups around other dogs. You need to always have her on lead. Madness having her in with other dogs. Sorry but thats how it is.
Janeandjohnny · 11/12/2021 21:04

@Psychgrad

Regarding comments about people/ children.

She’s great with children actually, absolutely loves them and is really gentle with them. She is curious with people but sometimes nervous, has never shown any aggression towards people but used to be nervous of strangers.

The comments about why I got another dog - not that it’s your business but we did it because she had improved so much amd showed very little aggression in 18 months so I we decided to adopt another rescue.

But its an important factor with this dog. Another dog in her space changes her dynamic.
Psychgrad · 11/12/2021 21:06

@Santahatesbraisedcabbage yeah I had thought of doing separate walks actually. In fact the new dog has a health issue and can’t walk too much so we may just do this. I’m really keen to keep my staffie socialised in a safe way. She still goes to another dog walker who is really good with her and socializes her well but I’m going to ask him to muzzle her from now on. Any tips for having multiple digs are greatly appreciated but around the house they are both quite good together.

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Psychgrad · 11/12/2021 21:09

@Janeandjohnny I see your point, I really do and am taking it on board now. The reason I have been relaxed was because she had been so good in the past year or so and I thought the training had done miracles, I guess it took her down a notch or two but she’ll likely never change completely. I know that now and it makes me sad for her.

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HolidaysAreHolidays · 11/12/2021 21:11

[quote Psychgrad]@ShowMeTheSugar thanks, she loves scent work

@HolidaysAreHolidays well yeah I am thinking of the trauma caused to the other dog, if you read the post you would have seen that I explained how I have been depressed about it all day and this is what led me to come on here for advice. I am doing the work which also should be obvious since I explained that I was doing training on the walk this morning and I believe I also explained we have had two behaviourists in the first few months that we had her so I’m not sure how your comment was supposed to enlighten me?[/quote]
You know your dog has issues, you said that in yOO but still let your dog off lead. I see this all the time, and no you can't change your dogs behaviour until you change yours. You think we are being judgmental because we call out your behaviour. Yes , I am. Get your dog under control, do the work or rehome instead of asking for validation online for the training you have not done.

AwaAnBileYerHeid · 11/12/2021 21:16

You absolutely must muzzle her, this could've been a small child she attacked.

Clymene · 11/12/2021 21:17

@Psychgrad

Thanks for all the genuine comments that were actually helpful and not judgemental. Gotta love mumsnet for some late evening bitchiness.
It's not bitchy. When you have a reactive dog, it's your responsibility to avoid situations where they're stressed and may react. You've reduced her walks at the same time as getting another new dog and it sounds like your dog is totally trigger stacked. What happened today was avoidable.

It's hard having a reactive dog, I totally get that. But you have to be consistent.

I would go back to basics. Walk her separately from your other dog, put her back in a muzzle, give her the long walks she expects.

Santahatesbraisedcabbage · 11/12/2021 21:20

We managed an aggressive ddog (rottweiler) for 10 years-after she had been assaulted.. We had other ddogs who luckily never copied her behaviour.. But she was hard work. No trainer would have her. Or kennels. Very difficult but we either kept her or pts... We have easier breeds now. Although our dhusky keeps us in our toes - literally for hours!
Keep going op. Your ddoggy needs you.