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Ignorance is equal stupidity in this case..

As the Tories have proved, if you think the leader is an electoral liability you can just change them. They don’t need to call an election for another 5 years whether they like Starmer or not. And the only reason Starmer needs to call an election is if he doesn’t have enough support in the commons to manage to lead a government. What the people want is now somewhat irrelevant until 2029.

And if the majority of people who voted Labour have changed their minds and are making this known why would he call an election now. He’s not stupid.

And the tories cared about the vulnerable? I think I'd like to see some examples of that.

Obviously Starmer won't care. Although I think 1.5 million signatures of protest in less than a day might be uncomfortable for backbenches in marginal constituencies. Perhaps it might galvanise a backbone?

The recent inflation is due to gas and electricity price rises IIRC. Which as the Tories will have told you a few years ago has little to do with the current government of the day.

Yes when fuel was at an all time high? This was brought in because of the incredibly high fuel costs in 2022/2023.

All the budgets I have been through since starting working, have very much been a case of gives with one hand and takes with the other, regardless of who has been in charge, so I don't think this one is very much different.

I do feel for the smaller acreage farmers, climate change isn't being kind to them and what with big hikes in fuel and fertiliser prices, due mainly to the war in Ukraine, and the loss of subsidies from the EU post Brexit, a lot of them are barely scraping by, so anything else that could be seen as a threat to their precarious livelihood will feel like yet another blow.

I still don't understand why they didn't introduce a sliding scale for the Winter fuel allowance ? A lot of benefits are already calculated this way, so why would it be difficult to do this ? Or at least reduced it year on year rather than a cliff edge in Autumn when people were expecting to receive it ?

That started out as a universal credit against bills...not particularly for the vulnerable, and was distinct from the WFA.

So it has nothing to do with the current Labour Government that they have reduced since they came into power (which was the point I was making)…they were coming down anyway BUT we have had an inflationary budget. How do you think businesses will cover the additional NI costs? By putting prices up = inflation!

Labours policies so far:

Murder thousands of pensioners by removing their Winter Fuel Allowance.

Cripple British farming to land grabs by big commercial companies run by the likes of Bill gates.

Cost millions of people their jobs with ridiculous NI tax increases.

Whilst flooding the country with millions of illegal migrants.

Siding with Terrorists against our allies Israel democratically elected leader.

Whilst trying to start WW3 with Russia.

I hadn't heard of this so I've had a search. If it is true (that Labour want to introduce inheritance tax to farms as a way of stripping their assets for big business) then it is absolutely scandalous and very scary.

We can only sell Britain (to huge investment firms) once. When it's gone it's gone.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/02/labour-plans-britain-private-finance-blackrock

https://www.thenational.scot/news/24743793.keir-starmer-slammed-gushing-tweet-blackrock-meeting/

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/the-blackrock-letters-inside-labours-close-partnership/

Hyperbole does you no favours.

I don't understand the winter fuel thing either.

They say it is too expensive to means test but HMRC has income details for all of us so they can calculate our taxes - even if the income had to be based on the previous years income rather than the current one.

Wow 1.5million now.

BUT we have had an inflationary budget.

Do you think it will reach double figures again like it did under the Conservatives @Boohoo76 ?

I haven't seen prices go backwards, they shot up dramatically under the last Government for a variety of reasons, the increases have slowed but not reduced for the vast majority of things, and the inflation figures have gone up a little after this budget. Now I understand that businesses are impacted by inflation on things like fuel costs, energy costs and raw materials, so I am not suprised they haven't gone backwards. If something costs more to produce, you are going to either charge more for it or you are going to have to take a hit profit wise aren't you ?

Furlough

Inflationary linked increases to benefits and pensions including 10% rises.

Yes it was more of a case of Truss sacrificing her budget going tits up. I’ve got a feeling he doesn’t actually speak to her anymore whereas she is basically on tour talking about how great HER budget was. Because it was her budget. Kwarteng didn’t have much to do with it other than being a useful scapegoat for Truss.

Also it was a great budget, was the banks and economists and business that made it fail.

Do you think it will reach double figures again like it did under the Conservatives @Boohoo76 ?

Look at global inflation and domestic policies which impact inflation

That spike was felt in many countries

It will depend on how the wars in the Middle East and Ukraine develop as to how high inflation goes but the current Government have added to the problem because they have made it significantly more expensive to employ people. These costs will be passed on by businesses.

We have ended up in the same place, we have a PM who is out of his depth and a Chancellor who is trashing the economy and has delivered a crap budget which will cost jobs.

If previous governments had better policies eg

1. Not dragged their heels on new nuclear
2. Hadn't blocked new gas storage schemes
3. Created policies to turn off all coal power stations as soon as possible
4. Hadnt created a situation where we import 35% of our electricity through underwater cables from other countries

We might have lower energy prices. I'm quite happy to blame politicians of all parties for an energy policy that has made everyone poorer and made energy prices worse in the UK.

The UK currently pays companies to turn their power off because we don't have enough electricity in the grid. This power rationing is called "demand side response".

We have the most expensive energy market and prices in Europe but we still have to ration power for large industrial companies! That is a massive fuck up.

No, it wouldn't - you've linked to a legal challenge which failed;

Simor’s first ground was that the referendum failed to comply with Common Law due to “corrupt and illegal practices” and therefore “could not properly be taken to express the democratic will of the people”. The judge said he was “unable to accept [Simor's] submission as even arguable”…

The judge rejected any notion that any breaches of the rules affected the outcome of the referendum result, stating “there is simply no evidential basis for the proposition that the breaches, or any of them, are material in the sense that, had they not occurred, the result of the referendum would have been different.”

https://order-order.com/2019/03/08/judge-crushes-remainers-claims-referendum-result-invalid/

We have ended up in the same place, we have a PM who is out of his depth and a Chancellor who is trashing the economy and has delivered a crap budget which will cost jobs.

Truss was out quickly and Sunak turned it around

I can't see Starmer and Reeves admitting they've got it wrong. It'll just get worse over a longer period. They wouldn't budge

Although I guess we'll see what kind of pressure mounts