Fighting Gender Ideology in the WI

[WomensInstituteDeclaration]

People on this thread are well aware of the ideological capture of the Women's Institute by the trans lobby. We are fighting back and need your help!

Please can you sign the petition to demand a moratorium on trans women joining the WI, to have a debate about this direction, and a vote.

The request has been formally turned down by the Board of Trustees of the National Federation of Women's Institutes, after a formal submission in February this year.

There is a question to ask whether or not you are a member so we can disaggregate the results.

DM us if you want to get further involved, especially if you are a WI member who disagrees with the Equality, Diversity and Inclusion Policy 2021 and share as widely as you can too.

Thank you for your help.

Sarah

Ignore me.
It was signed before the donation page

A PP asked about the safeguarding issues and impacts on women, here’s my take, and the reason why I won’t join the WI:

I was married to an AGP man and it was sexually thrilling for him to be dressed in women’s clothing - and although I didn’t stay with him long enough to find out, I imagine it was even more thrilling for him to do this whilst in the company of women. For sexually thrilling, I mean he would masturbate at the earliest possible opportunity following the experience and that did include in unisex changing rooms.

Is that someone you would want to find in the ladies toilets at any time, and especially if you were in an organisation that was ostensibly single sex?

As a result of my marriage, I am very suspicious of the motives of men who transition and subsequently call themselves lesbians. I would not be comfortable joining a group which already had transwomen as members, and I would not want to spend the time and energy making friends knowing that if a transwoman joined that I could well feel so uncomfortable that I would have to leave.

I have seen behind the curtain.

I'm not making the argument of chucking out safe spaces? I've been discussing whether it is viable, wondering how you'd go about it in practice.
If you get challenged based on age on public transport your ID would clear it up, and even then underage people would be missed. From reading up on the government website, I don't think people's ID would give you the information you needed to challenge based on gender.

Also, in reply to a few people, I don't think it would be fair to share the woman's name in a discussion that's nothing to do with her, without her consent!

That’s fair enough. It would have been interesting to see someone who posts videos of herself on Twitter that show her to be so masculine that she’s thought of as male in RL, but I can see why you’re reluctant to share her link.

I've signed. And yes, I CAN always tell a person's sex in a second. No idea what's wrong with people who can't.

The TW featured leaves people ( women) in no doubt . Their ‘lecture’ is all and only about how female born people should ‘ accept’ and indeed bow down before TW. No attempt to pass or fit in at all IME

How do you verify your success rate though?!

I think mostly it seems obvious, still not 100% in my experience. But as surgery gets better and puberty blockers are used, won't it get harder.

Surgery won’t change male physical characteristics to the extent men pass as women - and let’s not even go down the vile puberty-blocking road. It’s irrelevant anyway, unless you’re saying the men would lie to get access to single sex spaces?

Why not, though? If you are posting on Twitter, especially on a topic of current controversy and interest, you are effectively publishing in the public domain.

I smell a 🐀

I'm discussing whether people can 100% (or 99.999% etc!) tell people's gender accurately. I'm responding to the claim that someone has never got it wrong. How would you know??

I know you are. Can you also respond to my other questions? And it’s sex, not gender.

You can probably find examples of women who've been mis-gendered where people have thought they were trans pretty easily.
This woman has had it happen to her many times, but that's not why she posts videos of herself. Definitely don't think it's fair, no matter what anyone smells!

If you mean mis-sexed then I don’t imagine there are many who have fooled everyone they’ve come into contact with for longer than a few minutes.

I thought you were asking why it was relevant, whether someone could tell what sex or gender someone was? It's relevant to the discussion as to how you would make a trans ban workable.

I think you’d be surprised at how little info is needed in real life, rather than posed and edited photos.

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Paris Lees is a pretty human who has had a lot of facial surgery but once I saw a video of Paris dancing in Paris’ hallway on Instagram, the whole facade fell away. Every movement was undeniably male. Feminine male, sure, but male nonetheless.

Plus children have different growth trajectories from birth and one of the genes for male height is on the y chromosome and doesn’t seem to switch off with hormone blockers or castration (look at the extremely tall Eunuchs of history for examples).

You are over egging the pudding in terms of the crude medical and surgical interventions that humans have invented.

No I wouldn't sign it. I can't see the harm tbh.

It doesn't have to be 'fooling'. You may well have met women you've assumed were men or vice versa and wouldn't know about it. The woman in Twitter often gets called sir, and has been challenged in female spaces. It can happen both ways and I'm not sure how people are certain they always know!

1. It's easy (despite what you claim) to tell one sex from another. There are a tiny minority who might pass at a very quick first glance, but after a few minutes of observing them and speaking to them it's a no-brainer what sex (not gender - sex) they are.
2. You make a trans ban workable because your service is for women - unless you are saying that men will happily lie to access these spaces?

And I'm not sure why you're certain people don't know. Women know a man when they see one - but if you're a woman who doesn't know then who am I to argue with you.

In reply to others, I'm wondering if it would be practical to ban trans women going forward.
I've seen lots of people who I've not been certain of their gender. Would you challenge everybody? Or require ID? Again, AFAIK a trans woman would have ID just showing her as a woman? I'm just not sure a ban would actually work.

I don't know what gender I am - I don't think I have one, even though there are apparently 100s to chose from.
I do know that I'm a woman though.

Exactly.

Surely the lovely jam-making, apron wearing transwomen will respect the rules of the WI and the boundaries of the female members?

It shouldn’t need policing.

By looking at them?

Why would anyone have to join the WI to arrange flowers and make jam anyway?
There are plenty of male florists; Jeremy Corbyn famously makes his own jam. Membership of the WI is not a pre-requisite.