Fighting Gender Ideology in the WI

[WomensInstituteDeclaration]

People on this thread are well aware of the ideological capture of the Women's Institute by the trans lobby. We are fighting back and need your help!

Please can you sign the petition to demand a moratorium on trans women joining the WI, to have a debate about this direction, and a vote.

The request has been formally turned down by the Board of Trustees of the National Federation of Women's Institutes, after a formal submission in February this year.

There is a question to ask whether or not you are a member so we can disaggregate the results.

DM us if you want to get further involved, especially if you are a WI member who disagrees with the Equality, Diversity and Inclusion Policy 2021 and share as widely as you can too.

Thank you for your help.

Sarah

Gosh @Clymene that’s a tricky one. Not.

It matters. It changed the dynamic of our groups as some female conversation topics were filtered because of the male in the group.

Quite! The WI is for women not men with womanly feels & we managed perfectly well to keep men out of women’s spaces for years until for some reason it was decided that men who feel like women were the most oppressed & marginalised group ever.

it’s the women’s institute, it’s for women - why do TW struggle so much to understand that they can’t have access to everything designed for women?

This issue is why I will not join either of our local branches.

Single sex spaces are regulated by the social contract. Men know that they are men. It is their responsibility to self exclude. The first step is to specify that the WI is for women only and that men cannot join. If a man then nevertheless joins by stealth then, on discovery, he should be excluded and told not to return

Sadly transactivism has rode roughshod over the social contract. We need to reinstate it by articulating it and enforcing it. Much easier for the WI to do than some poor woman who meets a man in the public toilets.

Why would you need to?

Surely you just make the membership rules clear in the written Constitution and all the lovely, mild mannered jam-making transwomen will respect the boundaries of the women they claim to identify with and find another club to join?

I’m sure a TW institute could be set up - I jean if it’s really about baking, crafting, making jam, campaigning, socialising & listening to speakers a TW institute would be ideal wouldn’t it?

Here's how it would work: the vast majority of the time it would be immediately obvious that the person was male.

Very occasionally someone might "pass" as female, choose to take advantage of that and lie to get access to a space they're not entitled to.

Just because some people lie, cheat or steal and get away with it isn't a reason to just give up on having rules.

The same goes for toilets and those stupid claims about "genital checks".

" This issue is why I will not join either of our local branches. "

And this ^ is why we should all petition to keep the WI as a single sex group for WOMEN who have been born as FEMALE.

How sad the the WI are missing out on fresh new members such as the above poster simply because those on its organisation committee have been captured by the gender woo brigade.

Women want sone spaces for women, that's all. The whole point of a group set up for women is that it's women in it.

Otherwise they're just the Persons Institute.

Women only groups have always been a really important part of life - mixed sex groups are fine but there's nothing like a woman-only group. The dynamic is different, the conversation is different. Male presence changes it all completely. We all know it.

Many women join the WI precisely because they want to be involved with other women, NOT men claiming to be women. Because that would be gaslighting.

Without getting in to if it should be done, I'm just trying to work out if it can be done.
Would you expel trans members who have already joined before the moratorium if your submission is successfully?
The social contract does evolve, often for the better and due to activism. But I'm interested in practically. You won't know legally who the trans women are.
The photo I did need to look twice at but I think I know who the trans woman is. If they both wandered into a church hall I don't think I'd immediately question gender. I've definitely seen more stereotypically manlier looking women. Will you question anyone who doesn't look feminine?

I'll get my coat and hand in my TERF badge. I think the trans woman is the one on the right but I was struggling.

I showed my husband and he said both of them! (Git!) He thought the person on the right too.

They always choose the best picture for this kind of publicity, the one showing them looking as like a woman as possible. You’d know in real life immediately.

Why would they turn up at the hall if the rules excluded them?

Exactly Howard - photos are carefully filtered and posed in a way that can’t be done in real life

For example look up grace lavery photos and then see a grace video

@Wonderingiforifnot the submission is very clear that existing trans women members should/could be allowed to stay - retro-active banning would be unfair. Especially as apparently the WI has allowed trans women in since the 1970s - although we are yet to see proof of this.

The policies before this one did ask questions invasive questions, but the current (2021) iteration is very aggressive in its stance and calls anything other than affirmation transphobic. Individual WIs are told to to sign it other wise it would damage the ability of their WI to function.

It’s really obvious who the man is - even if that carefully staged photo.

Signed.

Thank you, that is clear about retroactive banning, and the links answered my question about checks in place currently:

The WI does not ask members to prove their sex when they join the WI and it is not necessary or acceptable to request a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC) from any member.

Would you seek to change it if you there was an exclusion for trans women brought in?

In reply to others, I'm wondering if it would be practical to ban trans women going forward.
I've seen lots of people who I've not been certain of their gender. Would you challenge everybody? Or require ID? Again, AFAIK a trans woman would have ID just showing her as a woman? I'm just not sure a ban would actually work.

I loved the WI. It was a source of great support to me at a very difficult time when a family member was very ill. I tried to return that support when other members needed it.

With respect, the WI is not just - or even mainly - about flower arrangements and jam making. Dismissing it in this way is very contemptuous and patronising, if you will allow me to say so.

When I first joined, I was very impressed with the way that it empowered women, encouraging women who had not had a great deal of education or worked in managerial positions to address an audience to advocate and discuss. ( I say this as someone who in their working life has worked in senior positions with Fortune 500 companies , and with very senior politicians).

When the trans women came, they wanted to make it all about them. They , like you @ where’s my mojo , want to belittle the institution, and make it about performing the traditional ‘womens’ hobbies ( yep, jam and flowers). And , of course, they want to tell us how to be women, because of course, men really, really know sooooo much better about that.

Shame on them. Shame on the enablers who have opened the doors. Yes, and shame on you and people like you who say that the storming of yet another bastion doesn’t matter.

This member did a lecture at my local group about how misguided women are if they think women are women because they are women.

It was that intelligent.

Single handledly dragging down the intelligence level of meetings.

I have to tolerate a lot of mansplaining at work, being mansplained being a women by an elderly trans male is enough to trash any engagement in a voluntary group of women.

I have to tolerate a lot of mansplaining at work, being mansplained being a women by an elderly trans male is enough

🤣🤣🤣

I’m sorry but sometimes a whole new wave of WTFs just washes over me and I let out an involuntary cackle.

It’s all so absurd.

Men can’t be women, they just can’t.

The End.

(except it’s not the end, it’s just the entrance to a really deep rabbit hole)

Retroactive banning is unfair?

I take your point but as the whole lot of the TW appear to be retroactively attempting to change biological sex and asking women to view them as something other than they are, then this seems overly considerate towards them.

Because if se Roman is a WI member and her husband or partner decides he wants to “be a woman” and join, where does that woman go for support in a difficult time? If that woman is struggling with her husbands transition, and sees her friends at the Wi as her support group or place do escape, where then does she go if her husband decides to join? And before you say this will never happen…. Read the transwidows threads.