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To ask you to sign this petition about women's prisons

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kendoddsdadsdogsdead18 · 29/10/2018 15:28

You may remember recently the case of Karen White, who is physically a man but self id'ed as a women. White was sent to prison after carrying out a vicious attack and was subsequently housed in the female estate. Within days White raped 2 women and thank god, is now housed in the male estate.

However, there are simply no guarantees that this situation would not happen occur. If self id became the law over here, women in prison,l who are often vulnerable & as a group are statistically to be more likely to have experienced sexual assault will be most at risk. In Ireland where self id is already law transwomen are housed in the male estate. Over here, where self id isn't even law, we have gone one huge step further than Ireland by allowing fully in tact males into the female estate.

In prison showers and getting dressed is open and shared. Personally I could not imagine personally having to shower naked in front of a male bodied stranger. It's bad enough in front of women. I think it says a lot about a society that carefully considers the privacy, dignity and safety of it's most vulnerable members. As I understand it, there are currently male bodied prisoners in every female estate.

If you feel, as I do that prison rules should reviewed, please take a look at and sign this
petition.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/228767

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ErrolTheDragon · 12/11/2018 12:34

What's to debate though?

Do you think that rules which allowed Karen White to be held in a women's prison are fit for purpose?

If no, do you think those rules are urgently in need of review?

If yes, is there any good reason not to spend about 2 minutes reading and signing the petition and clicking the confirmatory email?

This is a proper parliamentary petition - your name will not show up anywhere, and you won't get spammed with loads of other petitions like change.org etc do - IIRC you just get an email with the response when it's provided sometime after 10K have signed.

KenDoddsDadsDogsDead18 · 12/11/2018 13:10

14 signatures needed to get to half way point. Good chance of hitting that today!

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SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 12/11/2018 15:12

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naivetyisthenewblack · 12/11/2018 18:25

4999 now!

ErrolTheDragon · 12/11/2018 18:25

4,999

Ereshkigal · 12/11/2018 18:35

5001!

naivetyisthenewblack · 12/11/2018 18:40

Excellent! Half way there!

ErrolTheDragon · 12/11/2018 18:51

5007

Onwards and upwards!

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KenDoddsDadsDogsDead18 · 12/11/2018 19:24

Wooooooop!

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KenDoddsDadsDogsDead18 · 12/11/2018 19:46

Anyway team Mumsnet! Let's get this motherfluffer to 10k! If you have avenues to share please do! Let's keep pushing on twitter too!

Thanks to everyone who has signed so far and everyone who has bumped & kept it live. ❤️

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Ereshkigal · 12/11/2018 20:39

5,034

EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 12/11/2018 21:05

5,040!

ErrolTheDragon · 12/11/2018 22:49

5054

ErrolTheDragon · 13/11/2018 00:26

5075

EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 13/11/2018 04:44

5,077

ErrolTheDragon · 13/11/2018 09:15

Women's prisons need to be able to focus on the needs of women, not have the burden of dealing with males too.

E.g (there's another thread about this):

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/nov/13/female-prisoners-in-england-left-to-give-birth-alone-in-their-cells-report-reveals

concretesieve · 13/11/2018 10:54

5,094

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 13/11/2018 12:05

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ErrolTheDragon · 13/11/2018 15:23

5120

Keep the signatures coming!Smile

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naivetyisthenewblack · 14/11/2018 00:13

5164

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KenDoddsDadsDogsDead18 · 14/11/2018 08:29

Good morning petition signers!

Has this piece of news been discussed elsewhere yet? mobile.twitter.com/SuptBlackburn/status/1061971348526899200

I haven't got my head round it but I have seen others suggest the new toolkit means females can be intimately searched by males who self id as women (including non binary males).

If this is true then I would caution all women to never fucking put a foot wrong because from start finish and arrest to prison you might well find males, where previously males were not to be found.

Sometimes I think, is someone making all this up? Honestly? Is this really happening?

Petition link:

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/228767

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