I'm in shock... and I'm outraged.. My female rights are being taken away and now my parental rights are being trampled on.

[Dovechic]

Hello everyone,

I was sent this link about what is happening in Scotland.
www.spectator.co.uk/2018/10/dont-tell-the-parents-official-guidance-to-teachers-of-trans-children/

What is happening to our society? I beginning to feel excluded, undermined and not safe. I might as well give up being a human being! Please everyone.. If you who have concerns about what's now happening in Scotland coming to your area and concerns about where the Self ID 'a la mode' wave is going, then complete the Reform of Gender Recognition Consultation form. The deadline is before 19th October 2018... Hurry..

consult.education.gov.uk/government-equalities-office/reform-of-the-gender-recognition-act/consultation/intro/

I think that's a massive over reaction."I might as well give up being a human being". Of all the terrible things that are happening in the world this is definitely not the worst. I won't be signing.

I apologise if I come across very defeatist because as you have intimated I am not allowed to voice my opinion, especially when it comes to providing a loving, secure and safe environment for my children and give them the tools and direction to help them make their own judgements and interpretations of the world we live in.. because some groups are becoming very proselytist in their doctrine..

You need not sign .. it's not a petition..
Would you say it is ok for a rapist to self id himself as a woman (they keep the male parts) and then be transferred to a women's prison? Would a loving father (XX chromosone) allow a pedophile man have the opportunity to self id as a woman and go into the same changing room as his 16 year old daughter and start taking pictures? Just by him changing his records and claiming he is a woman, they'll be able to do this, if the SELF ID goes through. This scenario does not bode well for the poor souls actually going through the physical upheaval to transition and of course women in general. Do you think it is fair play to have male born females competing in female teams and sports? By the way this is already happening and what's more they have already been taking the accolades. I would say this is unfair to be honest with you. Females are told not to talk about PMT, their periods, their labour experiences because its exclusionary and deemed a hate crime. Hmmm half the population is biologically female.. How would a male born female get their prostate checked, if on paper they self id as a woman? How would female born males be given female specific drugs if they self id as male? Oh and what about the ones that want to have multiple id's.. I'm not a bigot. I feel for people that are having an internal fight inside and just want to belong and be accepted and the same time I am feeling vulnerable and worried that my existence and my rights as a woman, as a parent, as person in society are being washed aside, belittled to make way for a new kind of humanity. There is enough room at the table for a trans woman or trans man to fight for their rights without excluding or trampling all over the rights of those that are still fighting to be seated at the table of acknowledgement.

You should ask to move this to the feminism board.

Smelly It's not petition, it is a consultation for you to put forward your views.

It is your chance to put forward your views on whether you think single sex spaces / exemptions are important or not.

So if you wouldn't mind your 14yo DD sharing a room with a male bodied person without your knowledge on school trip, you can say so.
Similarly if you don't mind male bodies in girls swimming changing rooms, or in female toilets, or female prisons.

Noting that under new definitions trans people will be able to access these spaces based on their say so, without any need to have had operations, hormone treatment or even be under the care of doctors.

Also that male bodied people may be able to identify into female sport and compete against females even where their male bodies give them an inherent advantage (which is why sport is sex segregated).

But as I said, if you don't mind your teen DD going on a school trip sharing with a male bodied person, potentially coming back pregnant, you can say so in the consultation. Similarly if you don't feel girls/women should have the space to e.g. deal with periods in their own sex based toilets, you can say in the consultation it is OK.

I'm sorry but mumsnet is the right place for this discussion.. we can't bury our heads in the sand any longer and hope this will go away.. Mothers need to stand up and be counted.. Why is it that when we start talking about a woman's existence and her rights, people instinctively say you're a feminist.. Ok I'll flip the argument, so it's not feminist..

What about my son's right to getting together with a female born female and not a male born female that self id's and has kept all their male bits and is deceived by not knowing until they get to the bedroom...(yes dramatic I know)... What about men and women's rights to procreate naturally? ie.. male born males and female born females.. What about religious cultures that segregate male and females.. how will Self Id impact them?

Hi there OP,

We're really sorry but we do only allow petitions on our dedicated petitions board, so we're moving this thread there now.

Hi @mumsnet - this isn't a petition. Dovechic you are absolutely right.

I genuinely thought from the title that this was going to be a classic mumsnet hilarious pearl-clutching spoof - I even read the op twice just to be sure it wasn't in fact a parody!

I am disappointed.

Female erasure just cracks you up don't it Rat