AIBU to think you should sign this petition to ask the government to consult with women about Self ID?

[MIngerDynasty]

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/214118

Your details remain private, I don't want to start yet another trans thread but I thnk we can all agree that there needs to be more discussion with the people affected by the changes in law!

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One of the transwomen on here (can't remember who) did say something that made me think self-ID might be a bit of a cynical move on the part of the government to provide less medical engagement to those wishing to transition.

I've always assumed that this was a large part of the Tories reasoning from the start.

It's the perfect excuse to cut funding for both surgery and psychiatric/psychological care.

Not sure how being able to self-ID for a GRC would make any difference to the pressures women feel in this day and age to give up their bodily autonomy for anyone who wants to have sex with them. It happens a lot though doesn't it

@roly, it wouldn't directly. You've got to admit that the climate of fear surrounding the discussion of trans ideology isn't healthy. Can you think of any other group who are surrounded by such a wall of silence with regards to discussion of beliefs and practices? I can't!

I see this petition as serving two purposes. The first would be the stated person which is to insist that the government consult women on law changes that will impact us.

The second is to send a very clear message to that there are a large number of people who will not roll over and accept any and all statements made in support of trans ideology. I'm like many of the signatories to this petition, no issue at all with any person expressing themselves in any way that they please. I take massive exception in being told that I must believe their spurious and frankly silly claims on the nature of biological sex and this so called 'gender identity'.

Here's Leanne Wood, leader of Plaid Cymru yesterday....

A Woman's Place is an organisation promoting respectful and peaceful discussion about proposed changes to the GRA. They regularly have Trans persons as speakers at their events.

Yet one tweet from an activist is enough for Leanne to denigrate their campaign and perfectly reasonable requests for discourse - presumably without doing any research on AWP before responding.

This is why people need to sign. We are asking for consultation and debate - that's all. Yet it's being shut down by senior politicians across a number of parties.

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HerFemaleness

I agree completely. It's about changing the narrative.

The proposed changes to include self ID was the first time that almost anyone had even heard about this.

At first, there were a few, worrying but not numerous, incidents.

But since then it has snowballed into a direct attack.

All women 'anything' are being targeted. No matter what they are for.

From rape refugees to the online retailer making bras for adolescent girls, lesbian restaurants, vagina monologues, midwife groups, all women shortlists, girl guides. The lot.

If it's got the word woman in it, it must be targeted.

It doesn't even translate to a transwoman wanting to join these specific things.

As long as the organisers state publicly and loudly that they will include men. If they don't, they are relentlessly persecuted and intimidated.

As I said, the law allows for this. It doesn't recognise that this behaviour is intimidating and bullying.

500 individual transwomen leaving a one star review on a lesbian restaurant isn't illegal. Who would you go after?

What has to happen is for people read those reviews and instantly recognise it for what it is.

And that will only happen if women can talk.

Nearly 3500 😃

One more in my constituency :)
(I love this map!)

People arguing against this petition are along the same as those white people who tell black people that racism isn't a problem.

I've been violently raped. I currently have the option of avoiding anywhere that isn't segregated by biological sex. I don't use my local shopping centre toilets as they are unisex but can cross the road and use the segregated ones at the coffee shop.

This will be taking that choice away from me. Self ID will mean that I will never know who is sharing what I consider to be safe spaces with me. There will be no need for women only spaces, everything will end up open to anyone.

Female victims of male violence are a large group and should not be ignored.

Signed.

user

*along the same lines

I wouldn't usually correct errors but if it bumps this thread then why the hell not

Absolutely user. I support this petition and stand with your right to use facilities that are for biological women only.

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Onwards and Upwards

There are five in my backwater now

Still one or two grey patches.

Bounce.

There's a new thread about how awful periods are.

When a man can identify with that, he can start to talk about what it means to be a "woman", eh Danielle Muscato??

Afternoon, folks. We're going to move this thread over to Petitions now. Best of luck with it all, OP.

Boing!

Signed and shared on Twitter.
Only 6 in my constituency

Could anyone who is openly GC on Twitter try tweeting Andy Murray? He might have something to say about the effect on women's sport.

MN why are you moving this?

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Petition threads are always moved from Aibu and chat, no conspiracy :)

User

Come across self ID personally having to pretend a young lad was a girl caused embarrassment, confusion and put me in breach of my obligations to another girl. Chaos reigned in our house. Don't fancy seeing that replicated everywhere.

JaimesGoldenHand I was just coming on to say the same.
We need to tweet to Andy Murray.... and Richard Herring ... and James something (Kirkup?) from The Spectator.

Am not on twitter myself... yet. This may be my moment to jump in!