Council to ban kids over 8 from using opposite sex toilets!!! Sign this petition!!!

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Hi,

Glasgow City Council are proposing to change the parks management rules...I think in reaction to the problems had in the past with social media organised events. However, they are proposing (amongst other things):
-Children over the age of 8 may not use opposite sex toilets;
-that nurseries/ schools may not take children to the park without written permission from the director at the parks dept. and only once a charge has been paid;
-No congregation of more than 20 people without permission;
-No playing group sports (an intended legacy of a commonwealth games city?!?)
-No music;

There's a petition doing the rounds and an email to tell the council what we think. Seems to me a pretty heavy handed reaction to an incident from 3 years ago.....and one which will negatively impact upon everyone. Many inner city nurseries use the parks as many have little/ no outside space. It's not exactly promoting a health lifestyle either! Not the best legacy for a commonwealth games city!

If you agree this proposal is not what's needed there's an email address to the council directly and a petition here
Thanks for reading!

Why don't you keep an eye on him in the men's toilet?

If someone is going to be in the wrong place, why does it have to be imposing a pubescent boy on a female space?

Family toilets would be a good idea.

My local park has toilets where a lot of men meet for sex. They have glory holes for gods sake.
My son will not be using those toilets.

I complained today at the swimming pool because a boy of about 10 was in the ladies changing room. Why could his MOtoher not have taken him into the men's changing room .

Amother we have family stalls at our local pool. They are brilliant.

I've got a child with SN. He's 4 so wouldn't affect us right now.
Tbh, would just use the disabled toilets if that became law.

There are some toilets down southend seafront that are used by men for sex.

"My son will not be using those toilets."

Fine.

That's up to you.

But that doesn't mean he gets to use the women's toilets.

I'm sure plenty of adult men don't want to use toilets that have glory holes either.

Wirecat, you could say that about any public toilet!

The toilets at Chalkwell park had the same reputation and a few years ago they did some undercover work there and didn't catch anyone.

The toilets one is the proposal I have the least issue with. All of the others seem completely ridiculous.

I think I agree with the proposals on the whole I'm afraid. Of course children with special needs would be exempt. Maybe they should have a family toilet which could be used like the family changing rooms.

I'm in agreement with you OP.

It should not be against bylaws for a mum to make the judgement to keep her 9 year old son safe.

As for the nurseries and 20+ public gatherings, they are madness. Sounds like a police state sort of draconian measure of some power crazed local tinpot loon.

I'm not even sure the original donars of the land for the park who usually attached some kind of covenant to the land would make these sorts of bylaws legal. Parks were often established by public subscription or donated specifically for public use in perpetuity without exceptions.

Yes, keep your children 'safe' by all means but don't impose them on other women who don't want them in the ladies' room, you are not entitled and you don't have that right. If that means you make alternative arrangements or you plan your day differently, then so be it. That's your choice. I would feel very uncomfortable with older boys in the ladies room and would report you.

This just doesn't seem to happen the other way around, does it? I travel a lot, use ladies rooms in services a lot, see plenty of youngish girls unaccompanied. I leave the ladies room, sometimes there are men outside obviously waiting for them. No drama.

Surely the answer is to "police" men's toilets better, rather than for older boys to be in a female toilet?

As an aside, I never see a campaign by men to sort out the state of thi

Gah, posted too soon. Men never seem to campaign to sort out their public loos - something else that seems to be a women's problem.

How is it a 'woman's problem' docsarah? A woman doesn't use the mens' loos, does she?

I'm not much fussed one way or the other over the toilets but am very fussed about the restrictions on nurseries! I think that's really quite poor. When DC were at nursery in Edinburgh going to the park was a highlight. Actually, thinking about the proposed regulations now and if Edinburgh were to ever to adopt such policies, the Meadows would become a very dull place indeed in the summer!

I mean that the quality of public toilets seems to be a women's problem - look at the number or women here complaining that they don't feel safe letting their sons use a public convenience. Don't see many men complaining about their toilets being unsafe or unsavoury, do you?

It's a woman's problem because the default position has become to use the women's loos if you don't fancy the mens for whatever reason. This is not just for pre-pubescent boy's with SN who are with their mothers but older boys and even adult men with small dd's.

There are numerous threads on here where people claim they have a 'right' to send NT teenage boys into female only spaces to 'keep them safe' and even that their dH's have the 'right' to use female loos in accompanying a female child because 'there is no way I am letting my dd go into the disgusting male loo'.

If men's loos are that bad it should be a male problem but it's not, or at least not exclusively.

It also becomes a woman's problem by default as there are more female carers of boys who can't use the loo unaccompanied than vice versa but I would have thought that disabled loos could be used for older boys who need help.

In my student days I worked at a motorway service station, one evening a boy of about 15/16 came in with his mum, he was shaking like a leaf, they had just pulled up to use the toilets and two men had cornered him and pushed him into a cubicle, it was only his mum shouting for him that distracted the men, he pushed passed them and ran out, we called the police.

Fast forward, I now have two DSs and I'm very very selective about what public toilets I deem to be safe, I absolutely couldn't give two shiny shites if I offend someone by using the femail/disabled toilet if it means having piece of mind about my sons safety.

Tbh I would prefer unisex toilets. Then there would be no problem. There are no privacy issues with cubicles. I would not mind if a 9 year old boy or older came in with a parent or carer either.

I usually time a visit to a small cafe or suchlike to allow 9 year old ds a 'comfort break' in safety if he is with me.
I would absolutely not allow him to go alone to the loo alone in a shopping centre or service station.

If women want their over 8 sons to be supervised then maybe they should go into the gents with them. A someone said upthread the queues for the ladies are long enough as it is.

The comments on here that say they wouldn't want their dd in the same toilets as a boy are pathetic. Funny how it's okay for a 9 year old boy to have to go to the same toilets as teenage boys and men but their horrified that their little girl may be faced with a 9 year old boy in the toilets. Are boys not allowed the same degree of safety as girls?

The reality is 9 year old boys don't want to use the girls' toilets. They want to go to the men's toilets to make them feel big but they have no idea of the potential danger at that age. Boys of that age that use the girls' toilets are usually always accompanied by their mothers and it's because the mother doesn't feel it is safe for them to use the men's toilets on their own.

Yes best a child is assaulted than you wait a bit longer for a wee!