Cringe at "Crimbo"

[UnquietDad]

Please sign in here if you do. I think people who use it should be shot.

Yes, 'word' seems like a bit of a red herring. It is all rather Hegelian, it seems -- reason made manifest in the nature and direction of the universe.

Ha! Have just googled logos and wondered why I was getting all sorts of hits relating to advertising dross. Them remembered that logos is also pronounced lo-goes, as in brain shrivelling branding images.

Now I have this view of the early Christian concept of logos:

"Hey, John, do you think we could raise our profile a bit with some sort of simple image that would, like, sum up, kind of what we are all about?"

"Yeah -- logos. Very important."

"OK. How about a fish?"

"Sounds good to me."

LOLOL!

Let's run it up the flagpole and see if the Big Fella likes it?

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Superb thread!

Sorry, Penthesileia, had to rush off and pick up d from an Umlauty Weihnachtsfeier.

Didn't think Mary/Miriam was right either, I think alexpolismum is on the right track.

I love this sleuthing.

Here's some early morning reading

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And to make up for not coming back on MN to answer your plaintive calls, some umlauts: ö ü ä ä ü ö

LOL @ Threadworrm & onebat!

Danke schön, finknottle (look at me and my umlaut...)! Are you in Germany?

Ooooooh - those threads are so superbly geeky, it's a wet dream! .

Looks like Mr John Wilcoxson made the same error as me [shame] about the mu rho.

But - Threadworrm - I realise I missed the IC part of your inscription: I eso s (Jesus), I'd guess...

Yo, Swedes - nomos is the Greek for law, not logos.

And - yupitty yup - that's why Hegel thought he was right!

come and sit with me, little one...

Was crass of me to say 'word' a red herring (icthus notwithstanding). Many traditions, many translations etc.

(This has been bothering me: thought I might have given offence [pathetic])

Perhaps I might have understood Hegel better I had begun with the early Greeks. Never went there.

Perhaps here (sorry, quick wank) we have the whole history of metaphysical thought, from magic, through religion, to philosophy. Magic makes a fetish of the word, giving it incantatory power; religion broadens the focus from 'word' to 'language' (reason/thought), conceived as the divine order behind the universe; philosophy disinvests language/reason/thought from the divine (partially disinvests it if Hegel, fully disinvests it if a less mad philosopher)and studies it on its own terms. (Then Wittgenstein says that philosophy is 'language gone on holiday' and packs up the whole enterprise to become a gardener in a monastery.)

And that's the final word.

Ahh-boom-ting-aaahhhhh.

[swoons]

only on MN could such a thread take such a turn

v good potting Threadie!

Thready - Weren't the Ionian Thinkers the first philosophers, moving from myth to science (the cosmos)? I feel we should be discussing the word 'flux'.

ffluxsake.

We need to discuss the words flux and rational.

... or flumbo and ratters as I like to say.

OK I am studiously ignoring all this booklearningy bit because I want to talk about Crimbo

I have the exact same problem as HappyXmasYourArse with this. I say these kinds of cheese-tastic words as a joke, larking about at home, then actually forget not to use something like "Crimbo" and people think I actually say it - which of course I don't!

I have also said
Crimbalo
and
Crimb-ola!

Threadie - I had a tutor who used to call the ratio decidendi the ratty deck. He would say "You are very good at correctly identifying the ratty deck and ignoring all that is obiter dictum and this will stand you in very good stead."

Merry Crimbo, Snowleopard.

Just to make Crimbo a little more geeky, in tune with the rest of the thread:

Crimbo has obviously come from Christmas, a word made of two components Christ and Mas(s)

Christ comes from the Greek ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ (annointed), and so therefore Crimbo ultimately has its roots in Greek. How's that for geekiness?!

Threadworm - on your line of logos-reason: the word logic comes from logos, so logical and all other derivatives are also from there.

Have a cracking Crimbalo yourself, Swedes!

(I also thought "Crucial Crimbo" was brilliant btw. No hope for me is there)

Oh no! My Greek characters haven't come out! It was meant to say XPISTOS, only I put proper sigmas in and they have failed miserably [sigh]

Crimbalo? Now that sounds worrying like a bit of blended slang meaning Christmas with Ken Barlow.

No no, the stress is on the "crimb" and the "lo" - so it's
Crimb-a-lo

Like Gruffalo...

Oops that went wrong, try this:
Crimb -a- lo