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Of of of of of of of of of of

796 replies

BrickBiscuit · 21/02/2026 21:14

That's the approximate number of rogue 'of's I have seen on Mumsnet posts today alone. 'Should of', 'would of', even an 'I of' somewhere. It is spread by repetition. Should we counter by correcting every instance we can, and enforce the correct use of 'have' by repetition?

Incidentally, my title is an old crossword clue. Do solve it if you like.

YABU: no, we should leave the 'of' people unchallenged;
YANBU: yes, let's have a campaign to correct each and every instance of the error.

OP posts:
ILikeToEatOoplesAndBooNooNoos · 21/02/2026 22:30

I blame some teachers. I actually work with one (or maybe more) who always writes of instead of have or ‘ve and it drives me insane! How can she teach
spelling and grammar not knowing this?! Please don’t blame me, I know the difference!

IsItTheBlackOneOrTheRedOne · 21/02/2026 22:30

We gifted people all know that a gift is only ever given.

user1476613140 · 21/02/2026 22:30

Viviennemary · 21/02/2026 22:25

Well I agree its annoying but correcting people is quite mean. And shouldn't be allowed.

Wrong.

MonstrousRegimentRocks · 21/02/2026 22:31

IsItTheBlackOneOrTheRedOne · 21/02/2026 22:30

We gifted people all know that a gift is only ever given.

We do.

Bobbie12345678 · 21/02/2026 22:31

Often?
Of-ten

MonstrousRegimentRocks · 21/02/2026 22:32

ILikeToEatOoplesAndBooNooNoos · 21/02/2026 22:30

I blame some teachers. I actually work with one (or maybe more) who always writes of instead of have or ‘ve and it drives me insane! How can she teach
spelling and grammar not knowing this?! Please don’t blame me, I know the difference!

Edited

I go through people's PowerPoints and correct grammar and spellings. One colleague has actually thanked me and now sends them to me first.

WalkDontWalk · 21/02/2026 22:33

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 21/02/2026 21:20

"Should try to" is correct.

Nothing wrong with it. It’s an established idiomatic construction.

BrickBiscuit · 21/02/2026 22:34

Bobbie12345678 · 21/02/2026 22:31

Often?
Of-ten

Oftentimes

OP posts:
wanderingstarz · 21/02/2026 22:34

Smowk · 21/02/2026 22:25

Try not to start your sentences with ‘and.’

It's perfectly okay to start a sentence with 'and'

BusilyBarefoot · 21/02/2026 22:34

BrickBiscuit · 21/02/2026 21:32

The actual clue, as I really should have stated it, was:

Of of of of of of of of of of (10)

I don't think I got it first time, and had to wait for the solution next day. There are a couple of suggestions hinted at upthread, but they don't quite get there.

Oftentimes? (Sorry if someone else has got this, I've not read beyond this comment yet!)

Ohfudgeoff · 21/02/2026 22:34

Isittimeformynapyet · 21/02/2026 22:05

My favourite crossword clue is "Gegs (9,4)"

Good luck 🤞🏻

Well that's got me totally scrambled. Eggscellent!👌😍

TheFifthTellytubby · 21/02/2026 22:35

Smowk · 21/02/2026 22:23

Note that "I've sent that to yourself" sounds softer than "I've sent that to you."

It sounds mental. Like it was written by AI.

AI that was trained on Netmums.

I swear to God, next time I'm on a call with someone who insists on engaging in all the pompous and idiotic "myself"ing and "yourself"ing, I won't be able to resist the temptation: "OK, just to confirm - yourself will send it to myself today and myself will be hearing from yourself next week. Got it."😁

BeanQuisine · 21/02/2026 22:35

Smowk · 21/02/2026 22:25

Try not to start your sentences with ‘and.’

That's a pseudo-rule from the Victorian era, that is rejected by most authorities as a pointless constraint on the natural expressiveness of the English language.

It's perfectly acceptable to start a sentence with a conjunction, reflecting the way the language has been used for a very long time.

MonstrousRegimentRocks · 21/02/2026 22:36

TheFifthTellytubby · 21/02/2026 22:35

I swear to God, next time I'm on a call with someone who insists on engaging in all the pompous and idiotic "myself"ing and "yourself"ing, I won't be able to resist the temptation: "OK, just to confirm - yourself will send it to myself today and myself will be hearing from yourself next week. Got it."😁

😂
I hate that! "I'm going to give a copy to yourself" just....no.

Smowk · 21/02/2026 22:36

ILikeToEatOoplesAndBooNooNoos · 21/02/2026 22:30

I blame some teachers. I actually work with one (or maybe more) who always writes of instead of have or ‘ve and it drives me insane! How can she teach
spelling and grammar not knowing this?! Please don’t blame me, I know the difference!

Edited

The Head in my children’s old school was barely literate. She could use up an entire year’s budget of exclamation points in one letter home, and only ever used Comic Sans.

On more than one occasion I corrected a letter from the Head in red pen, but sadly never had a child willing to hand it back to her.

Isittimeformynapyet · 21/02/2026 22:37

4ad4ever · 21/02/2026 21:52

Why are there so many people on mn who love correcting spelling and grammar mistakes? Is it because there’s a high proportion of teachers on here or something? I don’t get it.
It can’t be because there’s a higher percentage of educated people because that could be said about lots of platforms and they don’t have a Pedants’ Corner or almost daily threads about bad grammar.
Most people who make these kinds of mistakes simply don’t know any better. Why do other people have to pretend it bothers them so much. I cannot believe that it actually does.
There are intentionally offensive things said on here all the time but all some people seem to notice are harmless, unintentional grammatical errors.
I never would have believed that there were people who felt genuinely superior because of their excellent SPaG if I hadn’t joined mumsnet.

I'll try to explain why it bothers me more than is good for me.

When I see the same, very simple errors cropping up frequently it makes me feel uncomfortable in an almost physical way. It feels like everything is spiralling out of control. It's as though I have word OCD. I'm not diagnosed with any spectrum disorders but there are certain textures of plastic that send me into conniptions that can last for hours and I've got misophonia too. I have to remove myself from situations sometimes.

I don't speak for others though - that's just how I feel.

I'd love to go through every thread with a red pen, but I know it's a lost cause and very unpopular.

notwavingbutdrowning1 · 21/02/2026 22:37

Hereforthecommentz · 21/02/2026 22:20

Ignore it! It's an internet message board not an exam paper. I am a terrible speller, always have been, believe me we don't do it to piss people off! Plenty of people have dyslexia too. I expect there are people who just text type as well because it's too long winded to type everything out. I find it rather petty when people point out bad spelling, I'm sure there are things you are bad at too.

The thing is, it's not being petty or smug, or an exercise in oneupmanship. It's actually really painful to see these things if you care about them. That might sound pretentious but I used to be an editor and I love the English language and I love to see it used well. Imagine hearing a violin played so badly that it hurts your ears – it's like that.

Oftenaddled · 21/02/2026 22:37

BeanQuisine · 21/02/2026 22:35

That's a pseudo-rule from the Victorian era, that is rejected by most authorities as a pointless constraint on the natural expressiveness of the English language.

It's perfectly acceptable to start a sentence with a conjunction, reflecting the way the language has been used for a very long time.

And so say all of us!

Unforgettablefire · 21/02/2026 22:38

IdentityCris · 21/02/2026 22:22

But it's just good manners to make the effort to make posts reasonably comprehensible and literate.

Of course. As it is for people to understand some have difficulties, and will be put off posting because they’re being ridiculed and put down. It’s nasty and it’s shitty.

Smowk · 21/02/2026 22:39

wanderingstarz · 21/02/2026 22:34

It's perfectly okay to start a sentence with 'and'

AND what should you then end it with…?

MonstrousRegimentRocks · 21/02/2026 22:39

Smowk · 21/02/2026 22:36

The Head in my children’s old school was barely literate. She could use up an entire year’s budget of exclamation points in one letter home, and only ever used Comic Sans.

On more than one occasion I corrected a letter from the Head in red pen, but sadly never had a child willing to hand it back to her.

Edited

Shame! She needed to know. The problem was almost certainly that staff didn't want to correct her. They should have.
I remember a HT having to send our students home when part of a ceiling collapsed.
His letter began "All the students are being sent home today because of a freak".

MonstrousRegimentRocks · 21/02/2026 22:40

Smowk · 21/02/2026 22:39

AND what should you then end it with…?

...to boldly go.

BrickBiscuit · 21/02/2026 22:40

EdithStourton · 21/02/2026 22:22

Precisely.

One of the real pleasures of the English language is the possibility of expressing precise and careful shades of meaning by selecting exactly the right word - cold, chilly, freezing, dank... militiaman, trooper, infantryman, soldier... tree, pollard, coppice, sapling, cordon... raging, furious, angry, livid, fuming...

If you lose the shades of meaning, the language loses precision and vitality.

Although I was less than precise; PEMDAS is indeed a true acronym, as it is pronounceable as a word. My example should have been HMRC, DVLA, MI5 or similar.

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Spiderx · 21/02/2026 22:40

DuchessofStaffordshire · 21/02/2026 21:17

Yep, very OFTEN indeed.
Myself and hubby was talking about it earlier.

Aaaarghh !! 🤪 Noooo ! I used to work with a woman who thought things were more better !

Freya1542 · 21/02/2026 22:41

I'm sure you know that this board would be more suited @BrickBiscuit