I (and I) have accepted defeat

[SavePlasticine]

After years of cringing when people use "and I" when it should be "and me", I have officially accepted that there is no hope!

I recently saw a video of Prince Willy and Kate where she got it wrong, so what hope is there for anyone else?! 😭

Tiktok and Instagram is also full of people saying "look at my husband and I's new house/car/airfryer". If we're now commonly using "I's" then we're all doomed!

For those who are unsure..
"Bob and I went by bus" = correct because if you remove Bob, "I went by bus" is still correct .
"The bus ran over Bob and I" = incorrect because if you remove Bob, "The bus ran over I" is incorrect
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An easy way to remember it is that you should use "I" when you are doing something but use "me" when it is being done to you.
Your welcome!

I'll ask you the same question @PendantScorner - do you use gotten, or thou in your day to day speech?

I say gotten.

I also use ye for you plural, almost always in speech, but only in very informal writing (such as a text to a close friend).

There’s a geographical variation to language evolution. Some older examples of English words are retained in American English. I’m in Ireland, but gotten has survived in parts of Scotland and Northern England too, as well as in America.

Okay, I lied. I'd answer with "He did" while pointing at my brother. :)

@Zonder Neither are incorrect.

Of course not. I didn't say they are. They are historic grammatical words that most people in the UK no longer use (although gotten is coming back to an extent through American influence). My point is that our language moved on grammatically from these. That's how language works. It's not lazy, it's practical.

I totally agree. My point was that most people in the UK don't use these as they're out of fashion and the language has changed.

🤣

My bad. Neither is incorrect.

Good job we have you here to educate us. 😫

My point was that most people in the UK don't use these as they're out of fashion and the language has changed.

'Gotten' and 'thou' have fallen out of use. (Although is 'thee' still used in Yorkshire?)

They haven't changed their meaning and they are not being used incorrectly.

Or possibly their not been used incorrectly. I mean if language evolves, who's to say that's wrong?

I saw 'great fully' the other day.

“Look at my husband and I ‘s new house” and “ look at my husband and me’s new house” both sound awful..

@Timeforabitofpeace ,They are both examples of poor grammar.

One problem is that people complain about language evolution as a ‘get-out clause’ for ‘laziness and ignorance’, while simultaneously complaining about the use of words that have simply been retained in the language in some locations but not others.
I think they don’t know the difference.

Gotten never completely died out on this side of the Atlantic. It is widely used in some areas still. Yet if I were to use the word I know some people would turn up their noses and mark me down as uneducated. It’s very frustrating.

I am not accepting defeat. The Princess of Wales should know better. This is the hill I will die on (along with 'should of' and 'bought/brought').

@AnonAnora , could you supply proof that PoW said it, please.

@PendantScorner it was referenced on this thread by several people

@AnonAnora , but I've not seen any proof. Posters could post anything and have others repeat it. I've asked a few for a link, but nobody is willing to supply one.

As far as I am concerned, it does not matter for the subject of this discussion. If POW has indeed said that, it wouldn't make this gross grammar any less acceptable.

I have come across 'and I' n a hit song and in movies - where presumably plenty of educated people have had an input.

*any more acceptable (shame on me)

If several posters on the thread have mentioned it then it is relevant.

I have come across 'and I' n a hit song and in movies - where presumably plenty of educated people have had an input.
Examples would help.

I am not entering into an argument with you here as I feel you are not doing it in good faith. You can have one example from me:

Cold Little Heart by Michael Kiwanuka

You're welcome. I'm sure you weren't being sarcastic. Other people on here already know what I'm saying, as we can see in posts.

That's my point! They're (not their!) not incorrect, just fallen out of use as language evolves. Exactly what I'm saying.

Not sure I'll ever be convinced by great fully though!

They do. Look at my new house. Look at my husband and my new house.

Look at our new house.