I (and I) have accepted defeat

[SavePlasticine]

After years of cringing when people use "and I" when it should be "and me", I have officially accepted that there is no hope!

I recently saw a video of Prince Willy and Kate where she got it wrong, so what hope is there for anyone else?! 😭

Tiktok and Instagram is also full of people saying "look at my husband and I's new house/car/airfryer". If we're now commonly using "I's" then we're all doomed!

For those who are unsure..
"Bob and I went by bus" = correct because if you remove Bob, "I went by bus" is still correct .
"The bus ran over Bob and I" = incorrect because if you remove Bob, "The bus ran over I" is incorrect
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An easy way to remember it is that you should use "I" when you are doing something but use "me" when it is being done to you.
Your welcome!

@CaptainMyCaptain , I've heard 'We was...' in two regions, in completely separate parts of the UK.

It is common everywhere but often seems to be described as local dialect.

It's just sloppy speech in my view.

Or worse yous ?!
More than one you = yous. Pronounced use.

makes me cringe.

I agree but it's so ingrained in many people it has become the norm in their circles.

I don't mix with such people, unless I have to.

Sloppy speech or local dialect? Who gets to decide?

My view is decided by me, @Zonder

Totally agree and shows a lack of education

As a teacher I had to.

That's why I worded my posts as I did. As a teacher I think it is impossible to change patterns of speech established over generations but children should also have access to Standard English.

Oh 😄

I hope you're not a teacher.

I am sure we are all pedants of some form in here but I would hope that we can accept variations in language.

I conduct language assessments as part of my job. There are guidelines on what we can allow and there is always room for regional variations. We don't mark the children down for using local grammar.

I know the rule but occasionally get it wrong, (and then correct myself). So I'm not too peeved about the royals getting it wrong too.

I gave up when I kept seeing "they were sat there" in the broadsheets / their digital equivalents.

@zonder, I'm not a teacher. I accept variations, and don't mind dialect.
I'm still a pedant.
'Local grammar' sounds like an excuse.

Language evolves, and it evolves in different ways in different parts of the country. This was more evident before we had radio and then TV to present RP as the gold standard. Thankfully other accents and variations have more space on the airwaves now than back then.

But most of the "errors" posted in this thread are also common (hence the thread). So, when is it an "error" and when is it just "so ingrained in many people it has become the norm"? And who decides?

I'm genuinely asking.

Off the top of my head I'd say using was and were ungrammatically is a mode of speech going back generations and it's nigh on impossible, and not necessarily desirable, to get children at school to stop speaking like that. I worked with small children and I was glad if some of them could speak at all but I modelled correct grammar and I would expect other adults working in school to do the same (this didn't always happen) I would also expect them to learn to write with correct grammar later on in school but accept some might not be able to achieve this. Edited to add that when I read 'we was' in posts on MN I will judge that poster's education unfavourably and it might affect how I react to their post.

I/me confusion is so widespread I think this would be even harder to eradicate.

Chester draws, pendant (on this thread), rest bite and so on are just plain wrong and I think auto correct is, at least, partly to blame as they are real words used in error.

On the subject of me and I. Would any of you answer a question with just "I"?
Like "Who ate the last biscuit?"
I see/hear it a lot in older films and books.
I would always say "me".

"Language evolves" is the get out clause for laziness and ignorance. Often seen excusing the use of would of and so on.

Rubbish! Except I do agree with you about of instead of have!

Do you say gotten? Or address people as thou?

I'd answer with "I did".

I wouldn't say 'I' but you could say 'I did' or possibly 'it was me'. Not 100% sure about 'it was me' but it doesn't sound wrong.

It does evolve, @Zonder , but 'We was...' is awful. Poor grammar is not excusable.

The language evolves argument keeps being used on here, as an excuse, but it does not enrich the language.

when I read 'we was' in posts on MN I will judge that poster's education unfavourably and it might affect how I react to their post.
Same here.

I/me confusion is so widespread I think this would be even harder to eradicate.
See above.

Chester draws, pendant (on this thread), rest bite and so on are just plain wrong and I think auto correct is, at least, partly to blame as they are real words used in error.
Chester draws and rest bite are used too often to be only due to auto-correct.
Defiantly, viscous and venerable are probably auto-corrections.

The typo in my username is deliberate.

I’m glad you’ve started this thread @SavePlasticine, as I have thought of doing so myself, (don’t get me started on that!) - more than once. It is a simple rule and schools should teach it. However, I don’t understand why you’re holding up “Willy and Kate” as examples. A literary figure, yes, but them?