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Secketary

118 replies

MyTattooIsBetterThanYours · 05/09/2025 18:05

It isn’t secketary.

It is SECK-RE-TARY.

It doesn’t matter if you’re the Home Secretary or the Foreign Secretary, you are not a Secketary.

It’s going to be a long night.

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MyOtherCarIsAPorsche · 07/09/2025 12:57

How do you pronounce damage?

Mochudubh · 07/09/2025 13:13

Most Reporting Scotland presenters say "secetery" Laura Miller is the worst offender but others do it too, I think Anne McAlpine is the only one I've noticed pronounces it properly but she's from Lewis and English is maybe her second language.

My DGM's first language was Gaelic and her English was much more "correct" than us youngsters'. She was of a generation that got belted for speaking anything other than "proper English" at school, though.

Pedant5corner · 07/09/2025 13:27

@MyOtherCarIsAPorsche, ˈdamɪdʒ.

upinaballoon · 07/09/2025 14:47

I say 'damij', more or less, when I read 'damage'.

When I read 'fromage frais' I don't say 'fromij'.

I think we might pronounce 'secretary' in different ways according to where we come from and I don't know whether to use the word dialect or vernacular or colloquiallism.
I think I usually say it with 4 syllables - sec ret er y. I can see that other areas might lead to sec ret ry.
One thing I want the newreaders and reporters to do is to make sure they follow the sec bit with an r sound!

TheSepticInMe · 07/09/2025 15:47

I see all your mispronounced words and raise you .... nasturzhun.

Osmosisfreight · 07/09/2025 16:26

Lifeinthepit · 07/09/2025 09:15

I quite like that. Is it west country?

No I lived in London at the time

CaptainMyCaptain · 07/09/2025 16:49

DeeKitch · 05/09/2025 18:31

Sorry I’m a garrij pronouncer - sounds snooty to say gar raj where I’m from 😁

Same here. I used to get told off for saying garaaaj. I also rhyme Farage with garrij but that a different story.

CaptainMyCaptain · 07/09/2025 16:52

Osmosisfreight · 06/09/2025 22:50

I also had a friend at school whose family would say yorn rather than yours. They’d say is that yorn? Tbf I’ve never heard anyone else say it, but I’ve always remembered it😂

I heard this in South London.

Apfelkuchen · 07/09/2025 16:53

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 06/09/2025 09:50

I’ve just listened to an audio book. ‘The Names’ which l think is a best seller?

Jewelry pronounced jewlry all the way through. There’s a guy who designs jewelry in it.

14 hours of it!

Yes, and jew-ler-ee is even worse!

Teribus21 · 07/09/2025 18:41

MyTattooIsBetterThanYours · 05/09/2025 18:05

It isn’t secketary.

It is SECK-RE-TARY.

It doesn’t matter if you’re the Home Secretary or the Foreign Secretary, you are not a Secketary.

It’s going to be a long night.

Also, “Feb you airy”. It’s February with an “r” in it! BBC presenters are guilty of this as well as “Skoh Land” instead of Scotland.
BBC weather presenters, if you’re going to insist our weather is the same in Orkney as it is in the Borders 300 plus miles away, at least spare us the glottal stop!

TheSepticInMe · 07/09/2025 19:08

Talking of whom, Carol with Scotlind and Englind. Aaarrrgghhh!

Teribus21 · 07/09/2025 22:26

TheSepticInMe · 07/09/2025 19:08

Talking of whom, Carol with Scotlind and Englind. Aaarrrgghhh!

Aaaarrrrggghhhh indeed!

Kuretake · 07/09/2025 22:32

Do people who say garaaj say their car is having work at the garaaj or that they are stopping for petrol at the shell garaaj? Or is it just when talking about your own one at home?

AgentPidge · 07/09/2025 22:52

sorrynotathome · 06/09/2025 07:21

I remember when the BBC had strict standards of pronunciation. Now it’s a free-for-all. The other day, a presenter was unable to say “posthumously” and after several attempts, her co-presenter had to say it for her.

The other night my local BBC news said there were less lifeguards on the beaches now. Depressing. (Not a pronunciation thing! An ignorance thing.)

BeyondMyWits · 08/09/2025 09:32

Me and mine, you and yorn... That one is mine, that one is yorn.

(Certainly gets around using the right your/you're)

TheSepticInMe · 08/09/2025 10:11

AgentPidge · 07/09/2025 22:52

The other night my local BBC news said there were less lifeguards on the beaches now. Depressing. (Not a pronunciation thing! An ignorance thing.)

As opposed to fewer? I'm with you although I have been told, in no uncertain terms 🙄, that either is acceptable because language evolves. You wouldn't have fewer sand though, grains of perhaps, but less sand, fewer lifeguards is as it should be.

Pedant5corner · 08/09/2025 10:16

TheSepticInMe · 08/09/2025 10:11

As opposed to fewer? I'm with you although I have been told, in no uncertain terms 🙄, that either is acceptable because language evolves. You wouldn't have fewer sand though, grains of perhaps, but less sand, fewer lifeguards is as it should be.

It's not acceptable.

TheSepticInMe · 08/09/2025 10:54

This has just come up on Twitter. What thyming!

https://x.com/brian_bilston/status/1964976267096400024

https://x.com/brian_bilston/status/1964976267096400024

Pedant5corner · 08/09/2025 10:56

He can't even spell excetera.

TheSepticInMe · 08/09/2025 11:26

Dam, he missed a trick their.

MargoLivebetter · 08/09/2025 11:33

Drives me nuts, as does the equally annoying "Sec- U - tary"!!!!

pigsDOfly · 15/09/2025 18:02

upinaballoon · 05/09/2025 18:40

BBC presenter/commentator this afternoon, by any chance?

Yes, and the rest!

It might have been heard this afternoon but it is definitely not a recent thing.

It used to annoy my mother who was born in 1908 and has been dead for over 35 years.

I remember her frequently shouting at the television and radio over it.

Seymour5 · 15/09/2025 18:06

I’m just getting over nucular. As in power.

ACatAsleepInYourHat · 15/09/2025 18:31

I rather like mischievous pronounced as mischievious, with the extra syllable - that’s the way my grandma always pronounced it.

Pedant5corner · 15/09/2025 18:33

I can't get over nucular or mischievious.