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Do you pronounce the word....

117 replies

ILookAtTheFloor · 19/09/2023 19:51

"Value"

as.....

Vow-yoo.

I'm daughter says it like this and it makes my heckles rise. I've noticed the Tesco advert voice over woman also pronounces it this way! I can't explain why I dislike it so much.

OP posts:
MasterBeth · 17/11/2023 09:04

CatchHimDerry · 16/11/2023 23:46

Was going to say it’s regional, I’ve heard it pronounced that way too. Usually Essex sort of region, like PP suggest.

I’d say “val-you”, some family members would say “val-ewe” (Welsh, but I lived away for 20+ years so say some things differently)

What's the difference between "you" and "ewe" in your accent?

I pronounce both words the same.

ElevenSeven · 17/11/2023 09:06

baileybrosbuildingandloan · 17/11/2023 07:37

Well I think it's more about accents, and whilst I agree that the word is "val-you" your post is very judgemental I'm afraid.

That attitude prevailed in the middle part of the last century. I thought we'd moved on from there.

No, it still sounds awful. See the Towie cast etc…

WetBandits · 17/11/2023 09:07

Val-you.

My uncle says ‘miw-yun’ instead of ‘million’ and it drives me up the wall! Reminds me of Del Boy.

“This time next year, Rodney, we’ll be miwyunaires!”

MasterBeth · 17/11/2023 09:50

ElevenSeven · 17/11/2023 09:06

No, it still sounds awful. See the Towie cast etc…

What awful accent do you have?

BestIsWest · 17/11/2023 09:53

Here in my part of Wales it’s Val - ew with no y sound.

CeciledeVolangesdeNouveau · 17/11/2023 09:54

@Mumtobabyhavoc ”fillum” is part of numerous accents from the Island of Ireland, I think particularly in Northern Ireland? Those are very beautiful accents :)

ClemmyTine · 17/11/2023 10:05

Do you live in Leicester? I find that the Leicester accent often puts a 'w' instead of an 'l'..
brew-yant for brilliant etc.

MasterBeth · 17/11/2023 10:07

Do you mean Weicester?

CatchHimDerry · 17/11/2023 10:07

@MasterBeth erm, how to explain phonetically 😂

Ok, so “Val-you” as it sounds, “Val-ewe” more like “val-eww”, no emphasis on the “y” like you’d have with “val-you” if that makes sense!

CatchHimDerry · 17/11/2023 10:09

@BestIsWest has also explained it 😂

Im in South Wales, are you as well?

SmartiesAndFlakes · 17/11/2023 10:31

I am a bit puzzled by this question in the context of pedants’ corner. Isn’t it more about accents - and this is a very normal feature of some regional accents?

BestIsWest · 17/11/2023 10:48

CatchHimDerry · 17/11/2023 10:09

@BestIsWest has also explained it 😂

Im in South Wales, are you as well?

Yep, Near Swansea 😂

upinaballoon · 17/11/2023 10:49

CeciledeVolangesdeNouveau · 17/11/2023 09:54

@Mumtobabyhavoc ”fillum” is part of numerous accents from the Island of Ireland, I think particularly in Northern Ireland? Those are very beautiful accents :)

I knew a Scottish person who used to speak about 'a lovely wee fillum'. I say it to myself often.

boudiccathecat · 17/11/2023 10:50

Hackles

PragmaticWench · 17/11/2023 10:52

It's a south Essex pronunciation. North Essex doesn't sound the same though.

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 17/11/2023 10:55

I always have to stop for a fraction of a second when watching The Apprentice, when Alan asks them how many sows they got - even though the challenge had nothing to do with pigs!

Without wanting to start a witch-hunt, the reason for all of the missing 'l's from words is because of the national l-shortage caused by the people of Bristol using them all up by adding them to the end of words that shouldn't have an 'l' in them at all. It's all the fault of the Bristolians that we reached Peak-L far sooner than we needed to (NB: to avoid any confusion, Eric Bristow was never implicated in this).

upinaballoon · 17/11/2023 10:56

MasterBeth · 15/11/2023 21:11

Why is that lazy?

It's lazy because the person can't be bothered to pronounce the 't'. It has become fashionable and prevalent, not just with undergraduates speaking on the regional news programmes. Communi'y, personali'y, universi'y etc.

TheBirdintheCave · 17/11/2023 11:00

CeciledeVolangesdeNouveau · 17/11/2023 09:54

@Mumtobabyhavoc ”fillum” is part of numerous accents from the Island of Ireland, I think particularly in Northern Ireland? Those are very beautiful accents :)

It's the same in what I call Old Scouse too (Scouse is heavily influenced by Irish accents). My nanna would say 'fill-um'.

MasterBeth · 17/11/2023 14:36

upinaballoon · 17/11/2023 10:56

It's lazy because the person can't be bothered to pronounce the 't'. It has become fashionable and prevalent, not just with undergraduates speaking on the regional news programmes. Communi'y, personali'y, universi'y etc.

Do you have a background in neuro-lingusitics? Do you understand the processes people go through when they speak? Do you think that it takes less effort, at each approaching "T" sound, to make a conscious decision to use a glottal stop instead of unconsciously vocalising the "T"?

Using stupid tropes such as "lazy" about people's speech just points you out as someone who doesn't really know what she is talking about. You're much closer to the truth when you talk about "fashionable" - although, I would suggest there is nothing new about dropping Ts even if it is more noticeable today amongst TV journalists or undergraduates than it was in the 1970s.

mathanxiety · 18/11/2023 23:58

There is no correct way to pronounce words. There are ways which are deemed standard in certain accents. Standard accents are not "correct".

Let's just do away with the alphabet altogether then. It's clearly more of a hindrance than a help.

MasterBeth · 19/11/2023 11:31

What does the alphabet have to do with pronunciation?

Sgtmajormummy · 19/11/2023 12:05

I’m not from Essex or a chav or a moron. I can even transcribe phonetically.

/va(l)ju:/

Listen to yourselves pronounce “4% Value Added Tax”.
The L is soft, tongue is not stuck out.

The OP’s “var-you” isn’t far off what I’ve written above.
I wish Mumsnet would introduce a phonetic symbol possibility…

ReadtheReviews · 19/11/2023 12:13

It's val you. Has she been listening to a lot of Adele and her Skyfaw?

MasterBeth · 19/11/2023 12:17

CatchHimDerry · 17/11/2023 10:07

@MasterBeth erm, how to explain phonetically 😂

Ok, so “Val-you” as it sounds, “Val-ewe” more like “val-eww”, no emphasis on the “y” like you’d have with “val-you” if that makes sense!

I know many Welsh people would pronounce the word a bit like "val-oo", but are you saying that they would pronounce "ewe" on it's own in a different way to "you"?

WashableVelvet · 19/11/2023 12:23

A storm in a teacup. I’m from the Home Counties, speak RP plus the occasional glottal stop. As we now live in London, my son has grown up with his speech chock-full of glottal stops instead of Ts, swallowed Ls, and v/f sounds instead of voiced and unvoiced th sounds.

I hope it may reassure some PPs to know he is clever and diligent rather than ‘thick’, a ‘moron’, or ‘lazy’ 😂 and if you’re so classist as to think him ‘chavvy’, please be reassured he’s thoroughly middle class 🤨

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