Sex 'assigned' at birth

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Surely it's 'observed' and 'recorded'?

Interesting. I find it confusing.

@KimWexlersPonyTail : "
Sex is real and immutable , gender is just a social construct. Sex is noted at birth, never assigned."

I too Hightower that was correct. Is it not?

Breasts are secondary sexual characteristics. Taking artificial hormones to grow them is not evidence of sex not being binary, any more than a woman taking hormones for HRT is evidence that the menopause doesn’t exist.

Men with a hormone imbalance sometimes grow breasts (gynaecomastia). That doesn’t mean they are female.

And there are people who are actually chimeras, in other words 2 blastocysts have joined together and become 1 individual. That ,in itself, may explain lots of anomalies, although I have no idea of how often that happens, but there are recorded cases.

Sorry if people don't like The Mail but this is the story I was talking about www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6772989/Intersex-skiing-champion-say-transgender-women-NOT-compete-female-events.html

So sad how they were blamed for something that wasn't their fault.

Sorry I’m not an expert on biology, I’m just going by what I’ve read and been told? I didn’t know I had to interview my friends on their biological properties

No need to interview, just employ your critical thinking skills.

Oh dear.

Just because something is complicated - ie. sex development in embryo - does not therefore make it “not binary” or a “spectrum” (or whatever). Sex development is complicated. There are still two sexes, despite that - and despite a category of people for whom the usual development pathways are more complicated, or contain some errors so that their genetic or endocrine development is disrupted.

@DinosaurTime you do not get informed of the sex of the embryo in the UK. PGP testing is not standard for a start and is an expensive extra.

Sorry I’m not an expert on biology

Mind bogglingly obvious. But it did make me laugh, so cheers man.

Great thread to illustrate the dangers of taking biology lessons from Twitter. But nice that you acknowledged you're no expert, @DinosaurTime

You don’t, but knowing sod-all about the facts yet using her to back up your terrible ignorance is not a good look.

Why not do some proper reading around the subject, both around the biology and around how TRAs insist on hijacking very rare DSDs to make completely unrelated claims around why normal XY males are really women?

Lol well done for having us going on for so long, aptly-named DinosaurTime, but this post just gives it away for me. No-one could actually be quite that daft.

Ask an endocrinologist next time you get the chance!

I think the most likely thing (if you're not just pulling our legs) is that you misunderstood what your alleged endocrinologist allegedly said. There isno shortage of scholarly articles, information for prospective parents etc on the internet, which refer to the undisputed fact that sex is determined at conception, but that sex characteristics develop later on in gestation (in line with the sex which was determined at conception).

The reason NIPT testing is done at a particular stage in pregnancy is not remotely because “it takes that long to find out because you have to wait for the hormones to take affect [sic]” (incorrect grammatical use of “affect” there; it should be “effect”).

That idea is so daft that I don’t think anyone can possibly take you seriously if you think that! Do you even know what a NIPT test is or what it analyses?

Have Clownfish been used in this argument yet?

Often see the Clownfish being used as a drop mike 'proof' moment when all else is failing...

Your XT friend getting breast cancer doesn’t prove anything Dinosaur, although much rarer or course, men (that is to say adult human males in case of any confusion) do also get cancer in that area.

As to your idea that taking oestrogen makes a man into a woman because he grows breasts, can I take testosterone and grow myself a prostate and an Adams Apple?

XY ffs phone!

I didn’t say that it changes your sex? I was just kind of referring to my point that the human body is made up of lots of different parts and you can’t rely on one of them to determine sex when they can contradict each other.

No I’m aware you can’t grow body parts that don’t exist or have already developed, but that it can shift around the ones you do have. I just think it’s all kind of amazing and shouldn’t be seen as a black and white thing!

The question was about why do we use ‘assigned’, and I think all these cases kind of make it clear!

I haven’t heard this one before?! What can clownfish do?

I didn’t say that it changes your sex? I was just kind of referring to my point that the human body is made up of lots of different parts and you can’t rely on one of them to determine sex when they can contradict each other

Yeah totally this 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣If you have a XX chromosomes and a vagina / vulva / breasts / periods but manly looking hands, no one knows what sex you are. If you get pregnant you might have to give birth on the male obstetric ward.

I have exactly the same knees as my 6ft tall penis and testicle bearing 19 year old son so everyone thinks he’s a woman.

It's a wonder anyone manages to ever find anyone of the opposite sex to procreate with when it's so complicated.

And how does anyone work out which of their parents is the father and which is the mother without checking out their genitals?

What a load of utter shit.

They can change sex, which to some people seems to “prove” that humans can change sex or that, in the alternative, men are women if they say they are because clownfish.

My family carries a sex-linked disorder. Only male children would possibly be affected, because it is carried on the X chromosome and the necessary gene isn’t found on the Y chromosome. 50/50 chance any son would inherit my “bad” X, practically zero chance a girl would be affected because the “good” X she would inherit from my husband would have the necessary gene. That’s why I had blood tests to determine the sex of my children - at the point at which foetal DNA circulated in my blood, nothing to do with hormone washes.

Whoever DinosaurTime has been taking to us an idiot.

Yeah, my friend's 2 oldest kids are both boys, and have fragile-x syndrome, inherited from her. No escaping that fate for male kids, so they used testing to ensure their other kids were female. Identify your way out of that.