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To ask where this stupid phrase has come from?

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Bluesheep8 · 24/10/2021 09:43

"Swap out"
Why the addition of the word 'out' ?
I was in a restaurant last week and heard someone say "can I swap out the chips for new potatoes?"
The word swap says all that's needed surely? It just makes no sense Confused

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MrsLargeEmbodied · 24/10/2021 10:38

where did the american accent come from?

ScamTheSchool · 24/10/2021 10:38

Swap out"
Why the addition of the word 'out' ?
That construction sounds to me like it's a translation from another language (German?)

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 24/10/2021 10:40

'Can I get' instead of 'Can I have'
'A couple [noun]' instead of 'A couple OF [noun]'

Both Americanisms and I don't have a problem with Americans using them - just makes me cringe hearing them over here.

MrsLargeEmbodied · 24/10/2021 10:42

Hold the mayo

AdobeWanKenobi · 24/10/2021 10:43

Oh. Another thread where people can't accept that language evolves is coming then. Marvelous.

GucciBear · 24/10/2021 10:45

Visiting "with" family" instead of visiting family. I just ate dinner and not I have just eaten dinner, Typical American influence - dreadful.

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 24/10/2021 10:45

@Ifailed

A swap file is used to create extra virtual memory on a hard disk. Memory in this context is the faster RAM which programs use to store themselves and their data when running. When RAM starts to fill up, the operating system will swap -out the least used parts of RAM to the relatively slower hard drive.

Fuck knows what that has to do with swapping chips for new potatoes.

Possibly because RAM is made up from chips? Grin
PupInAPram · 24/10/2021 10:47

'Reach out to'. What's wrong with 'contact' ?

hotmeatymilk · 24/10/2021 10:48

Waiting on.

Ponoka7 · 24/10/2021 10:52

@Stath
"They seem to be of the same ilk as the absolute bugbear ‘off of’"

No that's regional dialect that's spread.

"What can I style this with’ has me a bit confused
Why not just say what can I wear this with""

Because you can wear anything with anything, but if you want to be stylish, then that's different.

" I just ate dinner and not I have just eaten dinner, "

Just eaten is very soon after, ate dinner is a longer gap, both are correct.

SickAndTiredAgain · 24/10/2021 10:54

To be honest it does clarify which item you specifically don't want to avoid any confusion.

“Can I swap out the chips for new potatoes” & “can I swap the chips for new potatoes” are both equally clear about which item you’d like removing, and what you’d like in its place. I don’t think it adds an clarity that was missing before.

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 24/10/2021 10:55

@AdobeWanKenobi

Oh. Another thread where people can't accept that language evolves is coming then. Marvelous.
Oh. Another post where someone can't accept that others have different opinions to them. Marvellous. Wink

Just because language evolves, it doesn't mean we all have to be ecstatic about every affectation and appropriation we encounter.

reallyalurker · 24/10/2021 10:56

The "needs sorted" construction is Scottish I think. See here on "sorted" generally and re Scottish use in comments: separatedbyacommonlanguage.blogspot.com/2017/09/sorted.html And here on "needs washed": ygdp.yale.edu/phenomena/needs-washed.

FortunesFave · 24/10/2021 10:58

People on MN keep saying "I was pissed because DH was late" and the like.

Pissed? NO YOU WERE PISSED OFF!

thereisonlyoneofme · 24/10/2021 11:00

Return back is a particular gripe for me

IthinkIsawahairbrushbackthere · 24/10/2021 11:01

"It's too big of an ask", "too long of a wait" - the addition of "of" makes me uncomfortable.!

YouJustFoldItIn · 24/10/2021 11:02

It's the slow creep (or rather rapid in the last few years in fact) of American figures of speech and American English in general.

I have nothing against Americans using it. I am perplexed and rather irritated about how it's changing the use of the English language in the UK though.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 24/10/2021 11:03

[quote reallyalurker]The "needs sorted" construction is Scottish I think. See here on "sorted" generally and re Scottish use in comments: separatedbyacommonlanguage.blogspot.com/2017/09/sorted.html And here on "needs washed": ygdp.yale.edu/phenomena/needs-washed.[/quote]
I'm sure there are parts of the world it's a normal phrase, it's not where I live and has come into use the last couple of years along with 'hence why' Confused

YouJustFoldItIn · 24/10/2021 11:03

Just because language evolves, it doesn't mean we all have to be ecstatic about every affectation and appropriation we encounter.

Absolutely right.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 24/10/2021 11:03

@YouJustFoldItIn

It's the slow creep (or rather rapid in the last few years in fact) of American figures of speech and American English in general.

I have nothing against Americans using it. I am perplexed and rather irritated about how it's changing the use of the English language in the UK though.

I agree.
YouJustFoldItIn · 24/10/2021 11:06

'Reach out to'. What's wrong with 'contact' ?

Goodness knows, but it's even invading businesses, customer services functions and professional websites in the UK now. It makes me want to hurl.

RosesAndHellebores · 24/10/2021 11:07

There is a difference between the evolution of language and the grammatically incorrect.

My bugbear is colleagues arranging a meeting between; John, Mary and myself.

MrsRobbieHart · 24/10/2021 11:08

@HazelandChacha

‘What can I style this with’ has me a bit Confused

Why not just say what can I wear this with?

Urgh, this reminds me of the style and beauty threads where people say nonsense like

“You could team it with a black heel”

Just the one heel? Surely the other foot would be cold? And why are they teaming up?

Thepennysjustdropped · 24/10/2021 11:08

Me too re the use of Americanisms. I see a lot if 'utlize' in my work when they mean 'use'. Also signage for signs. And when did tips become hacks?

RosesAndHellebores · 24/10/2021 11:08

And emails that start "Hey Roses". Usually from the under 30s. It irks.

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