Pismonunciations that drive you nuts

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I'm sure you've all got your particular teeth-clenching, fingernails-on-blackboard nemesis.

Today's offering: they did "drawring" in Art.

I will break him of that habit. I will!

It's not 'incorrect', my accent is my accent. Would you tell someone Scottish or Welsh that their accent was wrong too? but it IS incorrect. You KNOW there is no R in these words and you continue to add one. Just for the record I am Scottish, I have a Scottish accent, but I don't add or remove letters to/from words

Diz abled instead is diss abled.

Prem eece instead of prem iss

So you are saying that every single southern person who says path with a long a is wrong?

To me, the middle sound in path and the middle card are the same.

Ivy, how would you say something like sawing wood or a dog pawing a door?

S-or-ing. Like snoring but without the n.

Lots of Scottish people say rang for wrong for example, Leggit, but that is their accent.

Ivy people don't think the 'path' thing is incorrect - that is down to accent and north/south etc: it's your pronunciation of drawing that is incorrect and not because of accent.

so are you saying that every single southern person who says path with a long a is wrong?. No. I never said a word about long A's I asked why you add R into words

Lots of Scottish people say rang for wrong for example, Leggit, but that is their accent well I tend to stick wth the correct words. Using the rang sound for wrong isn't accent it's local slang

Pecific for specific.
Would of instead of would have
As instead of has!
Brought instead of bought
Text instead of texted!

List is endless!

"Arks" for ask is very common round here and always makes me bristle. One of dd's teachers repeatedly said it during a parent-teacher meeting and I had to resist the temptation to correct her.

I'm a southerner, and I say draw-ing.

However, I also understand Ivy saying that southerners would say card and path sound the same in the middle. However, I wouldn't say we add an 'r' as such. I think we simply use a long aaah sound. We simply equate the long aaah sound to look like 'ar' when written down. But what southerners don't do is actually pronounce an r at the end/middle of words like that. If you listen to a scot saying car they sort of really pronounce the r, rolling it almost. We really just say caaah.

Anyway, i still think if you can say draw (which I agree sounds like 'or' when I say it - but nothing like 'or' for a scot accent) and ing, then you can say draw-ing. And it still sounds very different from saying draw-ring.

I could even write the word dror-ing, and it'd still sound the same as draw-ing. But it shouldn't sound the same as dror-ring.

And nonsense to sixth being hard to say. If you can say six then how can it be hard to add 'th' afterwards? If they can say 'mix the' it's just the same sound!

@mega .. I do say new-clear , I wasn't sure how people were saying the incorrect pronunciation sounded

People say 'new queue lar'

And dror-img is definitely regional we don't pronounce the Ws here stop acting all high and mighty and saying we COULD ... we would sound like twats if we suddenly affected a pinch accent

I worked with someone who used poignant when he meant pertinent. He talked bollocks fairly regularly.

Love how people use 'it's regional' rather than accept they're wrong

Intrusive R isn't considered incorrect. And it is absolutely regional. All rhoticity is by definition!

These threads are always funny (though we don't often get them on PC to be honest, as here we tend to concentrate on talking about the nuances of language rather than whinging about things we don't like ) because things that people shout from the hilltops as being wrong, rarely are.

If intrusive R is good enough for David Crystal (who knows a fair bit about language) then it's good enough for most of us.

www.davidcrystal.com/?id=2993

(I wonder if the people who don't like intrusive R are the same people who believe "Five items or less" is wrong...

There was quite an interesting article (complete with audio links) about the existence (or not) of "standard English" (in pronunciation terms) these days.

If you compare the Queen's voice 30 years ago- it was definitely, absolutely "RP" and now it isn't. Her children have never used the "hie nie brine kie" accent we came to associate with RP and the Royals, the BBC presenters of the 50s and other poshos.

Standard English grammatically exists. Obviously. Although even here, change happens. Things which would once have been wrong are no longer seen in such black and white terms. And of course, there has always been an over-zealous application of "rules" which really doesn't work.

If anyone is really interested in this sort of thing then Scott Thornbridge is your man for grammar, and of course David Crystal for well- almost everything connected to linguistics for the common man. (or woman)

www.bbc.com/future/story/20160202-has-the-queen-become-frightfully-common

Using a long 'a' in 'path ' is not the same as intrusive 'r'. In the southern pronunciation of 'path', there is no actual 'r' sound - it's just a long 'a'. If you say 'droRing' instead of 'drawing', you are actually putting an unnecessary extra sound into the word. And I'm pretty sure it's got nothing to do with regional accents - it crops up across the board, whatever accent people have, because it's a common mispronunciation rather than a feature of a particular regional accent.

Arks with a long aaaa instead of ask. Sorry. But it's not a tricky one. Clue's in the spelling.

Technically it should be said 'draw-wing' rather than 'draw-ring'

OK, I'll bite.

Five items or less is IMO wrong.

Fewer - things that can be itemised or counted.
Less - things that are measured in units.

Five items or fewer.
Five litres or less.

I had a look at the David Crystal website, and I'm sorry but I don't agree. It is perfectly possible to say all of his examples without adding an intrusive R. Perhaps if you have always added one, and are now adult, it might be extremely difficult to retrain yourself. That does not mean that it's right.

People who don't know the difference between Belgian and Belgium:

'Oh he's a Belgium is he?'

I know it's a bit obscure but I used to live there so began to notice it a lot.

Also Expresso for Espresso.