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Why do some parents choose savings over helping adult children?

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Perthgirl · Yesterday 13:59

My Mum is a 86 year old widow has just received a HMRC self-assessment to complete. My father died 3 years ago and all of their ‘joint’ money became her money. She didn't want to pay an accountant to help with her self-assessment and asked me to help.
I have mentioned previously that she would need to complete a self-assessment but this fell on deaf ears as ‘no-one has asked me for it’.
She lives in a £700k very nice house and manages well on her own. She is fit, well and active.
We get on well and I think I am a very loving and supportive daughter. I have never received any financial support from my parents since leaving home at 19.
It transpires that she has over £500,000 in ISAs, Premium Bonds, numerous building society savings accounts. All building society accounts have the £85k IFA protected amount/limit.
My husband and I are 59 and 60, both work full time and have 3 children (triplets) in final year of university. When I did a rough calculation on what £££ she might owe, her comment was oh ‘I might not be able to afford to give the children their £50 Christmas money this year, as I will have a large tax bill’.
It is her money and she is entitled to do what she pleases, etc. She enjoys a very comfortable life, with 3 overseas holiday each year and a busy social life.
She has previously said that she has so much money coming in that she does not know what to do with it. My Dad had a very good state funded pension which she still receives. When I suggested that she might like to help the grandchildren through Uni, she said, well no, as I do not know when I might need the money for myself!
Why would some parents/grandparents choose to pay £1000s to the tax man rather than possibly help the family?
I realise that she may need to fund a care home at some later stage, but £700k + £500k = £1.2M.
Can anyone help me understand?

OP posts:
ArtemisNutella · Yesterday 15:58

Allseeingallknowing · Yesterday 14:53

Are you the OP’s mum?

There’s always someone who appears on a post and adds this comment. Finds a comment they don’t agree with, writes “are you the OP’s mum/husband/friend/cat”, laughing to themselves, thinking they are the only person to have come up with it. This time it’s you. Congratulations on being so witty and original 🙄
Slow clap…

HappyInTheSea · Yesterday 15:58

Raven08 · Yesterday 15:55

Dhs uncle was like this.
No kids, a misanthrope through and through.
Never travelled, had no hobbies (except collecting rubbish from car boots)
Retired at 55, died at 90.
His estate will be over £1 million.
Huge IHT bill.
Such a shame he couldn't/wouldn't enjoy it 🤷‍♀️

Perhaps he quietly loved every minute doing things his way.

lovealieinortwo · Yesterday 15:59

Her parents would have lived through the poverty of the 1930s and perhaps encouraged her to 'pay her way' to make a better world for all.

The vast majority haven’t paid their way though. Why would you think that!

HappyInTheSea · Yesterday 15:59

ArtemisNutella · Yesterday 15:58

There’s always someone who appears on a post and adds this comment. Finds a comment they don’t agree with, writes “are you the OP’s mum/husband/friend/cat”, laughing to themselves, thinking they are the only person to have come up with it. This time it’s you. Congratulations on being so witty and original 🙄
Slow clap…

It's often that poster too.

YummyPieCrust · Yesterday 15:59

Allseeingallknowing · Yesterday 15:56

Don’t blame people resenting parents who are loaded but won’t help out, even in an emergency!

I blame any adult for resentment of someone else's belongings or circumstances.

Stand on your own feet and do what you have to do.

Don't try to make that someone else's problem because, in your view, they have everything.

No, they just have something you want.

I'd be ashamed of myself for resenting someone else for their material belongings and especially my own mother!!

Yellowingtrees · Yesterday 16:00

I think there are two separate things here:
1 does she mind the big IHT bill? Perhaps not, if she/her family have received a lot from the state
2 what does her hoarding money like this do to you?

What comes to mind to me is how for many of us, we never have quite enough to feel secure, no matter how much that is.

I am so grateful to my in-laws for planning for their inevitable deaths, unlike my parents who simply can't believe they will ever die, and are just clinging on and making no plans...

lovealieinortwo · Yesterday 16:00

@YummyPieCrust but the OPs mother is far from destitute!

I think it’s despicable to keep burdening the youth with the costs

Allseeingallknowing · Yesterday 16:01

ArtemisNutella · Yesterday 15:58

There’s always someone who appears on a post and adds this comment. Finds a comment they don’t agree with, writes “are you the OP’s mum/husband/friend/cat”, laughing to themselves, thinking they are the only person to have come up with it. This time it’s you. Congratulations on being so witty and original 🙄
Slow clap…

It does sound like a defence which someone in her position might make!

YummyPieCrust · Yesterday 16:01

lovealieinortwo · Yesterday 16:00

@YummyPieCrust but the OPs mother is far from destitute!

I think it’s despicable to keep burdening the youth with the costs

Get a job!!!

HappyInTheSea · Yesterday 16:02

lovealieinortwo · Yesterday 15:59

Her parents would have lived through the poverty of the 1930s and perhaps encouraged her to 'pay her way' to make a better world for all.

The vast majority haven’t paid their way though. Why would you think that!

Are you saying that the vast majority of people born in the first part of the 20th century didn't pay the taxes the government asked of them?

Allseeingallknowing · Yesterday 16:02

YummyPieCrust · Yesterday 15:59

I blame any adult for resentment of someone else's belongings or circumstances.

Stand on your own feet and do what you have to do.

Don't try to make that someone else's problem because, in your view, they have everything.

No, they just have something you want.

I'd be ashamed of myself for resenting someone else for their material belongings and especially my own mother!!

Can you not understand the OP’s point of view?

lovealieinortwo · Yesterday 16:02

@YummyPieCrust 😆 I’m not even young but I can grasp demographics.

You need to get a better paid job and stop sponging off younger generations

loislovesstewie · Yesterday 16:03

When I was young many older people would say in all seriousness, that they were happy because they had their 'box money'. In other words they could pay for their own funeral, they were terrified of being 'buried on the parish', having a paupers funeral. Today we are inundated with ads for pre paid funerals. It's hard for some people, usually much younger people, to understand the mindset of people who were born when it was shameful to not be able afford their own funeral. I think that things like that are deep in a person's psyche, and running out of money to pay for such things, whether care, funeral etc is just ingrained in some.

Allseeingallknowing · Yesterday 16:03

HappyInTheSea · Yesterday 15:59

It's often that poster too.

Examples, please!

ThatsthelasttimeIplaythetartforyouJerry · Yesterday 16:04

Fooledaroundandfellinlove · Yesterday 14:28

Although people will say it’s her money’ I can’t understand this either. Why see your kids and grandkids suffer when she could make gifts of £3k a year to each without penalty.

How are the OP’s children “suffering” ?

OriginalSkang · Yesterday 16:05

Perthgirl · Yesterday 15:41

Thank you for all of your replies so far. I am still am puzzled that she would choose to pay income tax on her savings to the tax man when she could avoid some by gifting £3k a year to each grandchild without penalty.

Does she definitely understand that though?

HappyInTheSea · Yesterday 16:05

Allseeingallknowing · Yesterday 16:03

Examples, please!

You generally provide them yourself.

lovealieinortwo · Yesterday 16:05

HappyInTheSea · Yesterday 16:02

Are you saying that the vast majority of people born in the first part of the 20th century didn't pay the taxes the government asked of them?

@HappyInTheSea read again.

I said the vast majority haven’t paid their way not that they didn’t pay tax. Very few will have paid enough tax to fund their healthcare & pension costs.

Allseeingallknowing · Yesterday 16:06

HappyInTheSea · Yesterday 16:05

You generally provide them yourself.

So you can’t prove examples? Ok.

YummyPieCrust · Yesterday 16:06

lovealieinortwo · Yesterday 16:02

@YummyPieCrust 😆 I’m not even young but I can grasp demographics.

You need to get a better paid job and stop sponging off younger generations

Edited

I'm living in my prime earning years and I have inlaws, and parents, and I would NEVER try to take their money.

Who tries to take money from elders and then justify it with "demographics"?

Gross.

Echobelly · Yesterday 16:06

I worry about what I'll do because I dont think we'll retire brilliantly and it may be a choice between 'helping the kids' and 'being able to have a life when we can no longer work' .

I'm already worried about potential care costs when I'm old and I could imagine people keeping their money so care doesn't have to impact on their kids. And that could be 100s of thousands they'd have to keep back to assure covering the costs. Of course it may never come to that, but there's just no way of knowing.

AlphaApple · Yesterday 16:06

Because it's her money, not yours.

At some point people are allowed to be selfish with their time and money after raising children, maybe supporting spouses and elderly relatives.

I will have spent £100,000s on my kid by the time she finishes full time education, making many, many financial sacrifices along the way. Delighted to do so but also looking forward to making my financial plans based on my own needs after that.

YummyPieCrust · Yesterday 16:06

Allseeingallknowing · Yesterday 16:02

Can you not understand the OP’s point of view?

No

HappyInTheSea · Yesterday 16:09

lovealieinortwo · Yesterday 15:44

Has someone who was was born in 1940 and has worked all their life benefited from the welfare system, health and education system more than someone born in, for example, 2000?

Yes, I would say so.

How so? It's a genuine question.

My dad was born in 1940, my mum 1937. I cannot think of one way in which the benefit, health and education system benefited them between the cradle and the grave more than it would someone born in 2000.

lovealieinortwo · Yesterday 16:09

YummyPieCrust · Yesterday 16:06

I'm living in my prime earning years and I have inlaws, and parents, and I would NEVER try to take their money.

Who tries to take money from elders and then justify it with "demographics"?

Gross.

Your moral high ground is shaky if you are happy to take it from the young.

Why on earth is it gross to grasp demographics?