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trying to do it differently - parenting after an abusive childhood?

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Leonine · 28/05/2010 22:40

Any other mummies out there who'd like a sort of support thread on the particular challenges (and joys!) of being a parent yourself if you grew up in the kind of family that you really don't want as a role model for your own? My own childhood was very, very emotionally abusive and that affects me as a mother in lots of ways, good and bad. Good in that I try to do things as differently from them as possible, and a fair bit of the time I succeed; bad... more complicated. I'm hoping that if there are other mums going through the same kind of thing you'll understand where I'm coming from. I'm not looking for answers as such as I've already spent a long time coming to terms with these issues; more for shared experience of what is inevitably a painful situation in some ways or others, and how to manage that. If there are others out there in a similar position, would be good to hear from you!

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cherryandalmondtart · 03/06/2010 19:57

Hello, I just wanted to echo what others have said of feeling they are running on empty and yet the DC's still needing so much from you and having to find it inside you from somewhere, creating something from nothing. I relate to this so much. I feel it a lot.

And noticing other mums with their mums, and knowing that during holidays and weekends etc many mums go to their mums to stay or have their mums over. I used to get extremely upset at not having a mum to go to during the holidays or even call up for advice and support. But I think I have got used to it now, or come to terms with the fact that I am on my own.

I've also read lots of AliceMiller's books and found they have helped me so much, especially with unlocking all the emotions I had buried during childhood. I was abused, bullied and tormented for years and years and years by my 'family' and others, and I just accepted it, never said a word in retaliation. Never showed how hurt and upset I was. It's hard work to unlock and release all those buried feelings but well worth it.

sillysow · 03/06/2010 22:04

Hello - this thread is timed quite well for me. I have a lovely DD - who is 4 months old.

My husband and I just so happened to stike up a conversation yesterday about discipline and correcting bad behaviour ( for the future!).

He is all too aware that I had a physically abusive childhood ( also sexually and mentally - which he doesnt know) To cut a long story short our discussion concluded that whilst I have no issue with the odd smack if necessary - it is to be used with caution - as in my opinion violence breeds violence, and over the years I have worked very hard to learn to not lose my temper - and to be the bigger, stronger, kinder person.

Its only in hindight that you realise in early years that your dad gave your mother a pasting which in turn resulted in your mother giving you one hell of a hiding. Until mother stood for it no longer and dad started on me instead. Its a viscious circle that I entirely intend to avoid, without being paraniod.

I do wonder how "scared" I will be over the years about the safety of my daughters innocence later on, after my experiences in childhood.

In many ways though, I am relived to have had a girl that I will be protective of, rather than to have had a son which I would have been constantly trying to shape into the perfect man - and be everything my dad is not.

Phew x

My thoughts and hugs are with everyone in a similar situation

cherryandalmondtart · 03/06/2010 22:22

Leonine, what you wrote here "My parents never sat and agonised about how the way they were treating me was affecting me. " OMG, how right you are. My parents didn't seem to give even a fraction of second's thought to how their abuse and neglect would affect me. I simply cannot comprehend it when I think back now. Especially after times when my dad just laid into me, verbally, mentally and psychologically attacking and assaulting me, when I had done nothing wrong. The next day, or even a few hours later, he would be 'normal' and I was expected to be the same. Just act normal and happy as if nothing had happened. It was crazy. My mother just used to stand and watch and like somebody else said on here, I think she was just glad that this time it wasn't her who was getting the abuse, she was glad it was me, instead of her. She just watched and kept quiet, never tried to intervene, I am sure if she had my dad would have turned on her as well or instead of me. So she just kept her mouth shut. And as I got older, it was me who ended up protecting my mother and my sisters and as a result I got even more abuse from my dad.

My sisters don't remember much of it, and now I have gone NC with our parents, they have sided with them. They don't remember me sticking up for them. I feel sad that they seem to have no loyalty to me, I at least did truly care about them, unlike our parents. But I know the ties of fear, obligation and guilt that bind them to our parents are too strong for my sisters to break. I'm just glad I had the courage and strength to break free of them all.

sillysow · 03/06/2010 22:40

Cherryandalmondtart - so much of what you have said rings true to me. I particular - I remember getting a kicking for telling him that his dinner was done (which I had cooked for him). I also remember being dragged down the stairs by my hair and then being kicked to get back up them.
He also always insesently called me a lazy f**ng bitch, which is why I now always give myself a hard time striving to do everything in no time at all.
cherryandalmondtart I am really sorry that your siblings have sided with your parents - but glad you have found the courage to rise above and away from it all. Me and my sister - are finally - after years of fighting really close - however our childhood is a subject we never discuss.

cherryandalmondtart · 03/06/2010 23:03

sillysow, your dad sounds like a right b*stard. Just like mine. Mine used to regularly call me a bitch and a cow and a whore, from when I was around age 9 onwards.

Thank you for your sympathies re my sisters. The thing is, if we never discussed our parents and all just acted like there was nothing untoward about our family, me and my sisters would probably get on quite well. In fact we did do that for a while. But it just didn't work for me. I couldn't bear to spend time with them and act normal. Pretend our family was ok when I knew it wasn't. I had done that for years, 36 to be precise and I found I just could not do it anymore. Even if it meant having no contact with my sisters.

sillysow, thinking about what i have just written, I hope you don't feel judged or criticised by me in any way. You are doing what is right for you and only you know what that is. For me, a relationship with my sisters where we don't discuss our parents just didn't feel right. Perhaps one day in the future me and my sisters can have a relationship where we can discuss our parents and I can be honest with them about how I feel about our parents. That is the sort of relationship I would like with my sisters and really it is the only type of relationship I want. It's lonely being alone like this, but better than acting normal and pretending. I just can't do that anymore.

SpeedyGonzalez · 03/06/2010 23:31

"chocolate for the soul", mmm? Mmmmmmm...

ClimberChick · 03/06/2010 23:46

I think this thread is just about to make me cry. Think I've got round to accepting that my upbringing was more than just not ideal. I always felt that since it wasn't really physical it didn't count as abuse. Took telling my DH about some things for me to think that emotional damage is also quite damning. One of the favourite punishments was standing in front garden (in view of friends) in underwear being hosed down with cold water or if our rooms were messy then everything being thrown out the window (including electrical equipment). But yet I still like a fraud by being here anyone feel this?
I've recently had a LO (13 weeks) but am struggling to try and understand what DH's role will be and also how to show her that I love her as I'm not best at connecting with my emotions. Have only quickly glanced but thought i'd pluck up the courage to post before I wimped out. Will get round to reading some of those links at some point.

ClimberChick · 03/06/2010 23:50

Feel silly for posting now, just ignore me/tell me to go away, which I know sounds needy, OMG i was just fine a few mins ago

Lynli · 04/06/2010 00:29

I seem to have a very different view or reaction to most of you. I absolutely know how to be a perfect Mum.I have complete confidence in myself. I run a perfect home, my childhood home was a complete embarassment.I am not bragging as it is a curse I am exhausted all of the time as I always have to do what is best for everyone else. I know it is to not be like her. Agree with fairybaby it does make you sensitive to your childs needs but the need to fix everything can be very draining.

Lynli · 04/06/2010 00:53

climberChick you are not silly at all. I know what you mean. I was an adult before I realised that my DPs behaviour was abuse.

cornsilkcottagecheese · 04/06/2010 01:10

I agree with Lynli.

Simic · 04/06/2010 11:21

Afterallyouknow, I know exactly what you mean with the worry about being mentally absent for our little ones. It is something I want to fight against (?). I suppose all we can do is to sit back, watch our children and enjoy what they do, how they react and try to relax. Sometimes I have these moments when I think something really clicked with one of my children and I think how lovely this was. Then I start beating myself up for the minutes when this didn't happen (mad, I know). I have started making a "positives diary" where each day I try to write one thing which I enjoyed doing with the children or when I thought they did something particularly lovely or where I just felt really happy. This actually really helps me to treasure these moments and stop me from losing sight of them by beating myself up about anything and everything.

I'm afraid I can't help with the PIL issue. Not an easy one...

fledtoscotland · 05/06/2010 09:18

I want to join this thread but at the momenr am not strong enough really to order my thoughts. My relationship with my mother was/is at best horrendous and I am terrfied of history repeating itself. Ds1 is challenging and I love him to bits but at time dont know how to guide him or even love him.

DH and I argue as he doesn't understand the abuse although is supportive. I feel i dont know how to be a mum

Nemofish · 05/06/2010 21:22

fledtoscotland don't worry, we all make it up as we go along. Forgive me going all sixties on you, like, but all you need is love - or at least that is the best starting point you can have. Mumsnet helped me hugely as well.

My mother parented me with hate and resentment. I had no idea how to parent, but I love my daughter and I have a lovely dh and lucky for me it flowed from there. Supernanny helped too, and Tanya Byron - I started watching them before ttc. Just as well as that took 5 years!

Having our babies throws up massive ishoos for parents like us though - I really didn't realise where all my fucked-up-ness came from. I was still sticking up for my mother and step-father, visiting them and buying them Xmas presents .

Then I realised that my absolute worst nightmare was the idea that either of them would ever ever get near my baby dd. Then a light went on that that just wasn't right, that shouldn't be your worst fear.

I am still pissed off that my lovely dd (now 4) doesn't have any living grandparents that want / could ever have anything to do with her. It makes me sad and a bit 'poor me / dd.' But then I look at her cheeky little elfin face and think, fuck em all!

afterallyouknow · 06/06/2010 14:08

I think a big issue that I find hard is just a sense that I have a cloud over me - that I find it really hard to be just cheerful and happy and I don't want my children to be brought down by that - my mother was miserable (with very good reason) and it just drags you down - this feeling that things won't be good. That is why I feel such intense anger - almost bordering on real hatred for my FIL - he has said an several occasions how he hopes my children grow up to be like their father (his son who is thankfully not like his father at all) - nasty, spiteful comments. I can hardly bear to be in the same room as him these days.

I feel another big issue and I know this is widening the discussion out - is how I relate to other people - I have become socially quite anxious and worry about making friends, worry about the impression I make on other people when they meet me (I have 2 children 15 mo apart so have spent the last few years just shattered and not felt like socialising. I want so much to be a positive role model for my children and not feel like history is repeating itself (my mother had no friends, we had no one round to house to socialise with us as a family, my mother hated her MIL, etc, etc).

afterallyouknow · 06/06/2010 14:16

One of the (I think) positive things I have done re: PIL's is that I have stopped initiating any contact with them, I am not going to be the one who phones them, Skypes them, arranges visits, holidays, birthday cards - nothing. Husband will be left to do all of that from now on and I will go along with things unless I have a strong reason not to. It feels a relief to say that I don't actually have to do anything in relation to these people. I made the awful decision to ask them to stay with us when baby no 2 was born (I had a CS and husband was working long hours) and it was awful - they were both unsympathetic, a real pain and no understanding that I have just had a baby - just awful. I know I asked for their help and boy, did they make sure I remembered that - never again!

afterallyouknow · 06/06/2010 14:25

Sorry - I must be on a roll and have a few minutes..

One of the BIG things I struggle with is "what is normal?" what is normal behaviour, what is a normal, acceptable reaction to a child playing up etc etc. I had such a appalling example set for me and I know what is really wrong (father holding his fist inches from your face saying if you don't shut up I will shut you up - being one example) but it is the general way of behaving, setting boundaries for children. I do want to set good boundaries for my children and encourage them to be self disciplined. Even though my father was a control freak - I didn't have sensible boundaries set and watched him lose the plot and just didn't learn the right way of behaving. I sometimes wonder if I am too strict with my daughter (she is only 2 and 1/4. None of this helped by references to me being crazy by FIL (he does not know about teh 2 siblings with mental illness so he cannot be having a dig about that) but because i know I am not as "normal" as I would like to be, it touches a raw nerve - i worry about passing on some of my loopiness to the kids as my dad did to me.

fledtoscotland · 06/06/2010 18:06

Afterallyouknow- for me you've hit the nail on the head. I have no idea how to be a normal parent, what are normal reactions and responses. My mothers response to me not being hungry was to feed me out of the dogs bowl next to the dog.

In contrast I am either way too soft or toi strict as I no idea how to parent.

I try not to shout too much but envariably do

OrdinarySAHM · 06/06/2010 18:47

This is great, a bit like the 'Stately Homes' thread in the Relationships section but with more focus on how the past affects our own parenting and how to not let it affect it negatively. People on here might find that thread useful too.

I will read this in depth when I have some child free and DH free time, but would just like to write a quick post to ask if I may join.

My childhood has made me an overanxious parent. If bad things happened to me, part of my brain rationalises that bad things are likely to happen to my children.

I also feel that because I encountered perverts there are perverts around every corner and feel distrustful.

I also worry more than I should that DD (oldest sibling) may terrorize DS (younger sibling) and I overprotect him against her, because part of my brain learned a 'template' for ALL older siblings which is a 'psycho', even though my older sibling was unusual.

Like some others on here said, knowing what is normal and what isn't has been difficult.

Leonine · 06/06/2010 21:55

Hi all and hello to new posters, all very welcome. ClimberChick, at your story, that sounds horrific to me. And I wanted to say to you that yes, I think most people feel like a fraud when they first start to identify as having been abused, maybe more so when it's primarily emotional rather than physical or sexual, but I'm not even sure that holds true really. Even when people have suffered very obvious and clear physical and/or sexual abuse, I think they often minimise and deny either the events themselves or the impact those events had on them.

As far as I have come to understand, that in itself is a "normal" result of being abused - children nearly always need to deny on some level what is being done to them, whether it's absolute denial as in blacking out the memories, or denying that what is happening is really that bad. We do that because we have to, in order to protect ourselves. It's a pyschological safety device, a coping mechanism to enable you to get through the abuse while you're still dependent on the people abusing you (or the people failing to protect you). So in that way it's a very good and vital thing.

Unfortunately, once the denial is in place, it becomes part of your reality and your normality, so it's hard then to turn around and start seeing things from a healthy adult perspective. And even after you have worked out that what happened to you was genuinely wrong, you can still feel the same feelings you always felt, that you're making a big fuss about nothing, that you don't really deserve understanding and support, that you're a fraud... So, anyway, I just wanted to say that no, you're not alone in feeling like that; obviously I can only speak for myself but I would guess that many people on here have had times when they doubted themselves like that, I know I have. And in fact still do sometimes, even though I am absolutely 100% clear in my mind that what happened to me was abuse and it was wrong, I still sometimes feel like that child who had to deny and pretend it was all OK really just to get through it. If that makes sense!

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Leonine · 06/06/2010 22:43

On the subject of not having anything to give to your DC - I definitely had one of those days today. Last week was actually pretty good on the whole but quite full on and today it all caught up with me, especially after a bad night with DS last night. I just felt awful again, just didn't really want to be with DS or do anything with him, and then felt guilty and like I was a negligent mother for feeling like that; also sad, and cheated, because I really do love being with him so much, and it hurts me too when the joy disappears and there's just numbness and exhaustion. But anyway, it was lucky it was a Sunday, and DH pretty much took over, so they had a cool father and son bonding day and I kind of zoned out a lot, and then went for a swim, which was just what I needed.

I know I expect too much of myself a lot of the time, and feel that I want to be there for DS absolutely all the time, and always the loving, devoted mother - but that's just not realistic, is it? Even mothers who aren't dealing with the legacy of abuse need time off, and for me it is still something I have to do - I have to keep working on myself and doing a sort of inner "clear out" otherwise I get stuck in old crap again. So that takes time and energy, which are always in short supply; added to that if you haven't got either the practical or emotional support of your original family, you are probably at a disadvantage relative to a lot of other mothers, so that's another thing to factor in. Feel like I "pulled a sickie" today but it did me a lot of good and I know I did really need it. It was such a relief for once to be in that position where you think "I really haven't got anything left in the tank to give" - and to actually be able to say, OK, I am going to stop, and not to have to dredge something up from nowhere like I usually have to.

And by the time I came back from my swim (just before bedtime ) I was back to being really happy to see DS and able to listen to him and laugh at his lovely cuteness and just adore him again. Hooray!

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OrdinarySAHM · 07/06/2010 12:13

I've read most of the thread now, and I apologise for writing so much, but this is so important to me. I think people should write as much as they can about it because if just one thing they say 'switches on a lightbulb of enlightement' about something in someone's head and helps them to be the sort of parent they want to be then that is brilliant for our children. I feel so strongly that we must do all we can to learn how to parent differently from parents who caused us damage. It is our duty if we have chosen to be parents, to learn how to parent our children properly. There are so many thoughts and feelings common specifically to people from abusive backgrounds and I feel I have so much to agree with lots of you on and so much I want to share with you, both to share the 'burden' and in case any of the thoughts that have helped me can help anyone else.

Armadillo, I didn't feel I had any big problems with my parenting until I had my second child, and then, like you said, just seeing a similar structure to my own childhood (1 older child, 1 younger) brought back my feelings about that particular relationship for me. I had thought I was 'over' it but the intensity of the feelings that came back to me shocked me.

I was seeing all older siblings as evil! It felt so wrong to feel extreme negative feelings towards my own DD who had done nothing wrong! So I found a good therapist and it is 'sorted' now. Like Picklemum said, sometimes the anxiety that my children might really hurt each other it intense because I find it hard to believe that they won't. When you experienced something yourself you feel that is the norm and that it is likely to happen to your children. It is really important to learn what is normal and what is not.

I also feel similarly about what you said about separating out what was good that your parents did from what was bad. My 'instinct' is to do everything oppositely from the way they did it because I react against the bad bits so much, but not everything the did was the wrong way to do it. Just because they did some of it right doesn't mean you aren't allowed to feel negatively about the bits they got badly wrong.

Re 'muddling along' and not feeling you know how to do it, like a few people have written about, I think all parents do muddle along but if you felt your parents got it badly wrong you feel even less sure about what to do because you didn't have role models for good parenting to base your starting point from. I've been obsessed by learning what is normal because the more I learn this, the better I feel and the better I cope. Observing people I know and reading MN have been great for this.

I also know what people mean by worrying and worrying about whether you are getting it right, because you so don't want to do anything to make your children feel anything similar to the really bad things you went through as a child, but you fear that you may have subconsciously picked up too much of your parents ways. Well, you can measure how much better you are doing things than your parents. Eg each time I cuddle my children I can think (I didn't get this so this is one thing that I'm doing better). There are loads of other examples which, added together, make me a better parent than how I was parented. You can look out for them in yourself throughout the day. The more you notice them, the more motivated you feel to do more of them.

Despite so not wanting to do things the way your parents did, sometimes like Allegrageller said, you see/hear yourself doing similar things without 'seeing it coming'. The way they did things and the way they reacted to things became ingrained in your brain while you were learning about the world and your brain was still developing, as templates for how to behave and how to feel about certain things. I realised that some things the children do that I have got angry/irritated by, I don't need to get angry about! I don't need to think about it the way they did, I can think of it in a different way. In this way, we can see that it 'isn't our fault' because they made us this way, and feel less bad about it, but it is also a really important job that we MUST do, to undo the learning of ways that are unhealthy for our children and for us. I will not let myself excuse myself from mistreating/neglecting my children by thinking 'it's not my fault, it's the way I was brought up'. I feel this is what my mum did - didn't even bother trying to do things differently, just stuck to "all I've ever known" even though she knew how unhappy those things made her as a child.

It is very very hard to change it and takes a lot of thinking and practising, mistakes and re-evaluation, but it is important to keep at it. Something that might make people with difficult childhoods better parents than others is that they do actually think about what they are doing with their children and what effect they might be having on them, because they are so aware of how horrible it can feel to be mistreated/neglected. I agree with people who say "At least you know how NOT to do it". They may have more focus on how their children are feeling. Other people could carry on, almost on autopilot, just parenting according to their role models, because they didn't find anything really awful about how their parents did it, but not really paying as much attention to how their actions could make their children feel. Having said that, if they found their own parents ok and they parent the same way then they will probably do ok anyway.

Like HerBeautitude and Lynli said, it can make you put so much pressure on yourself though. It is sometimes hard to know what circumstances would make any normal person find things difficult with their children and which things are because of bad experiences from your own childhood. I think it really does help to look at what you are doing that is good and different to the bad things from your past instead of only focussing on 'I must make sure I don't do it like this or this etc'. Instead of thinking 'I must NOT do x', think 'I am GOING to do more of a, b and c, which will be good things'. Think of the bad things your parents did which you do not want to do, then think of 'opposite' things you can do which would be good and then focus on doing those good things, eg for a dumb little example of mine 'I resolve to try to say to my children "I love you" when I kiss them goodnight and when I say goodbye as they go into school for the day, as much as I can'. (It doesn't come naturally to me, I feel stiff and self conscious and repressed, so I practise saying it until it feels more normal. Some days I've found I couldn't make myself say it! But I try not to beat myself up, just resolve to keep trying and not give up, and I'm gradually saying it more often and it's coming more naturally.) Like SillySow said, violence breeds violence but I think the opposite is also true, the more you do a positive behaviour, the more you condition yourself to do it more.

Allegrageller, Picklemum and CherryAlmond, I know what you mean about sometimes feeling you haven't got love in you to give out because you never received enough yourself. I think it is a gradual process giving yourself love, seeing things to love in yourself and in other people by focussing on looking for these things. I see it like a form of meditation, stopping everything for a few moments, more and more often, and just observing your children, looking at all the little things you love about them and all the things that make them children rather than adults, which you want to appreciate in the present moment, before they grow up and those moments are gone forever. When you look at your children and feel love, they feel your love, even if you don't say anything, it is expressed in your body language. And the more you do it and practise, you will find yourself behaving affectionately without you even doing it consciously. I like what Simic has written as well, about stopping and noticing the good bits and celebrating them more.

I so agree with Leonine, that if you think about what you are doing with your children and care about it enough to worry about it and talk about it and try to do better, then you are definitely not the world's shittest mother. My mum just simply stated once, when I said she should have shown my brother more affection and then he might have not ended up doing violent things, "I don't know how to do it as I never had that (affection) myself". Yes, I can see that it wasn't her fault from that point of view but I also think it was her duty after choosing to be a mother to learn how to do it properly instead of not even trying to do things differently. She didn't appear to feel any guilt about the way she did things, unlike people on here.

I recognise what you say Fairybaby, about the worry about doing things similarly badly to your parents, as a big fear. It's intense. The fact that you fear it and look out for it, means you are a lot less likely to let it happen than your parents who probably didn't give it much thought.

Leonine, I sympathise with you finding it difficult to find any time to deal with your own difficult feelings when you are so in demand from children, husband etc all the time. From my own experience and from lots that I have read, having children really brings up lots of unresolved difficult feelings if you had an unhappy childhood which interefere with your ability to parent the way you want to. You feel you need to work on your stuff and get it sorted so you can be a good parent but there is little time to do this time consuming and exhausting work on yourself. I felt there was so much in my head all at once that my brain was gridlocked and I couldn't concentrate enough to do anything much properly. I was depressed, found it hard to cope with normal life, exhausted and despairing. I was lucky that we could afford for me to give up work but continue to send the children to nursery twice a week and I went to see a therapist for a year and a half, spent lots of time writing and thinking and using MN. I managed to clear out most of the crap and now feel better, so it can be done. I put loads of effort into 'getting it done' and looked for new ways to think so that I could keep moving forward. I was worried that therapy could just encourage me to wallow in self pity, but I found a really good therapist who let me do the right amount of 'wallowing' but also help me to progress from that.

I so agree with you Picklemum, and I've read other people write similarly, that when you have your own children and you feel the way you do about them, and it is so strong, it is a big shock to realise that your parents didn't feel that way. Dealing with that shock is hard. I also recognise what you say about feeling fear a lot and not being able to relax as I am very anxious and find it exhausting. It makes the job harder for you than for people with a normal level of anxiety. Maybe some of it is us feeling the anxiety we felt as children their age as they remind us of who we were (which we may have tried to forget).

AfterAllYouKnow, I so recognise what you say about being "mentally absent" from your children. I used to have so much crap in my head all at once that I couldn't focus on them and they needed so much more of me than they were getting. I can see that this is how my parents were with us, blinded to us by all their own problems. When my children were younger, to lots of people I looked like I was doing all the right things with my children and doing lots of things with them, but I know that I wasn't 'all there' and I also know that my children felt this and were anxious and over-attention-seeking and less happy than they are now that I am not depressed anymore. It is really important to work on getting yourself more and more sorted so that you can give them more of what they need.

Nemofish · 07/06/2010 16:21

I can't emphasise enough how important I think it is to look after yourself so you can be the best parent you can be.

By that I don't mean feeling guilty for not being perfect, or for having a shitty week day, or for suffering from depression. I mean get the help, take the time off (if you can, even if it's only half an hour, get as much as you can, as much as you need) and do your best.

I love my dd dearly. But I know that thanks to mummy's ishoos she has a restricted diet and suffered from a lack of confidence when she was younger (toddler). Now she has bags of confidence but still has a bit of a restrictive diet - but thankfully as she is 4 it seems within the normal range of kid-awkwardness!

I am doing the best I can. I know how much I have struggled with my mental health, yet I know that compared to many people on this thread, I had it easy as a child. My heart goes out to everyone, really.

I think that this is easily one of the most important threads I have ever read!

stilltravelling · 08/06/2010 14:30

afterallyouknow, OMG what your FIL said to you was so nasty and spiteful and cruel. You do not have to put up with this sort of behaviour. Does your DH know what his father has said to you? If not I would tell him straightaway and if he has any decency he will speak to your FIL and tell him he has completely and utterly overstepped the mark.

Am sorry to jump in on this thread like this, I have been skimming through and afterall's post just struck such a chord with me as I have had similar problems with my MIL who got away with similarly nasty, vindictive and cruel comments to me until I eventually could take no more and told DH he had better speak to his mother otherwise our marriage was over. Luckily for DH he found the courage from somewhere to stand up to his mother but it was a tough time to go through for us as a couple.

I can also totally relate to your anxiety about friends. I am exactly the same, and even more so now I am realising just what bad choices I have made wrt friendships in the past. I am extremely wary of making new friends as I feel I can't trust my own judgment as to whether they are nice people or not and I overanalyse every remark and encounter to death and feel I am being too open/not open enough. It's a nightmare.

Sorry, i know this thread is about parenting so will go now.

stilltravelling · 08/06/2010 14:37

And sorry one more thing, I completely relate to being 'mentally absent' from your DC's. Me too. I do this a lot. I can't seem to help it. I think when I am mentally absent, ideally I need to go off for half an hour by myself and work through whatever is going on in my head and I know I would come back with a much clearer head and be much more 'present' for my DC's. But the opportunity to go off by myself for half an will never arise whilst the DC's are around and so I am there in 'body' but not in mind a lot of the time. I feel terrible about this and feel comforted to know that it's not just me. And also the thing about looking/feeling grumpy/miserable all the time. Me too. So much so that DD has even commented that I never smile. I so wish I could be the cheery, smiley sort of mum or could even act like that, but I just can't seem to do it. I feel so sorry for my DC's. I think I need to make a conscious effort just to smile more, I think not smiling is actually another habit from childhood when I didn't actually have much to smile about. But I do now and I should make an effort to break the no smile habit.

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