That Alder Hey programme last night- smoking outside, just as bad as inside

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DH is a fairly heavy smoker- at least 20 Embassy a day, but he smokes outside, so thats ok

I was so glad that he watched that programme with me last night, as to see the nurse saying that the effects of passive smoking are as bad whether they smoke inside or out might finally hit home with him.

I have told him that if he doesn't stop, he will be as bad as that horrible scrote, who won't stop because he didn't believe the Doctors/government or whatever shite it was he was spouting.

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how can smoking outside be as bad as smoking inside? i assume children inside and smoker outside? bit confused as to what you are saying

I'm sorry I don't believe it either. I can believe that it stays on your clothes/breath, but in no way can that be as bad as smoking inside the house where there are children.

Unless he regularly give your child mouth to mouth? Then I could see your point.

Did you watch it? The nurse was very clear with what she was saying. She was an ENT nurse and could tell when a child had been exposed to smoking by looking at the damage in their ears.

No, I wouldn't have believed it either until we saw it with our own eyes last night.

The horrible scrote I am refering to was one of the fathers who refused to stop smoking because he didn't believe that it harmed his children.

The whole programme was one big .

I will find it on iplayer and link if you want?

It's not possible if the child is inside and the smoker is outside.

You must have misunderstood.

To the point where i think you might be joking...

You didn't watch it then?

No i didn't... but what you have written is a scientific impossibility. Plus programme makers editing can make points that are far from the truth - the manipulating media.

Spolit Rotten on Panorama last night.

10 mins in. The nurse says 'smoking outside makes no difference' or words to that affect and goes on to say it to two different families.

its bollocks sorry

OK, I take your point about the manipulating media. See what you think when you have watched it.

I want it to be true though, as would love DH to give up.

When he says smokes outside, read doorway. He even lit a fag and then got a beer out of the fridge with the fag in his mouth the other day.

Sheer class, my DH.

I'm not saying that the fumes on your clothes/breath aren't harmful (though I'm not sure I believe they are) but they cannot possibly be anywhere near as harmful as smoking inside the house.

But I will reserve further opinion until I watch the show. I would be interested however to see some proper scientific research on this.

maybe she meant that dcs are influenced to eventually smoke themselves if their parents smoke outside- like that advert where they copy the grown ups who think they are 'hiding'

Did you watch the clip? Are you a nurse fandango? Don't let it be bollocks.

Unfortunately I don't think it is bollocks. I'm not certain of all the stuff but the chemicals stay on the clothes and we are now supposed to advise parents who smoke outside to wear a jacket (whatever) that is kept for that purpose.

Will have to try and find a link now.

I agree that it HAS to be preferable to smoking inside around children though.

Shiny, are you not able to watch the clip?

My DD1 has asthma, has had pneumonia and my DS2 has had bronchiolitis. Coincidence, yes, possibly. But even more reason for him to stop.

This thread is my own private hopes and musings really .

link. Quite interesting stuff coming out at present.

i watched it and was quite surprised that it was as bad as inside.

i do understand that the smoke and chemicals stay on your breath and clothes for two hours or so after smoking, but if the child is not actually experiencing passive smoking, i don't see how it can be as bad, although obviously not good at all, i don't see how it can be as bad

she also said unless you wahs, shower, brush your teeth and change your clothes after eveery ciggie, your children are exposed to the harmful effects

Not as yet nope. Devil dog busted the pc speakers and and dd1 is currently using the headphones on her mp3 player.

Oh ffs link doesn't work.

I have just watched it and the nurse is very misleading. Smoking inside is far far far worse than smoking outside. Yes chemicals stay on clothes but not to the extent they can cause that level of hearing damage. Ridiculous. She is scare mongering the dad into stopping. My fear is that some parents will now smoke inside thinking it makes no difference having the opposite effect. Panorama should know better - but its the media so to be expected. I chsllenge anyone to find strong evidence backing this. (No - I work in the media my husband is a scientist)

Okay a bit from the article.......

"There is plenty of evidence that "second-hand" smoke - breathed when you are in the same room as someone smoking - can be harmful, particularly to children, and some parents adopt a strategy of never smoking in their child's presence.
However, Professor Jonathan Winickoff, from Massachusetts General Hospital, said this would not offer complete protection.
Toxic particles in cigarette smoke can remain on nearby surfaces, as well as the hair and clothing of the smoker, long after the cigarette has been put out, and small children are susceptible because they are likely to breathe in close proximity, or even lick and suck them".

So - not quite as bad as smoking in close proximity but still not brilliant.

the reasoning the nurse gave was that the smoke remains on your clothes and you continue to exhale the pollutants for up to two hours after you have stopped smoking.... so it would be fine if you smoked outside then didn't come in for two hours and had a shower and changed your clothes....

sure its not as bad. but the point she made was that she could see the evidence of the damage in the childs ear, so it does still cause physical damage.

Ah, I think it's that she didn't believe that he smoked outside?

How about that? I reckon she routinely looks in a kids ears and if there is plain damage from smoke, she knows they don't smoke outside, but they always say it.

She has to persist with the 'don't smoke around your kid' line, so says that, because she can't say 'you liar'

I reckon it's that.

yes - but have you considered that the damage may be caused by passive smoking ie the dc is outside when the dad is smoking? They conveniently don't touch on this. THAT is what will cause the problems. Not dads breath!!!! That is what i believe is the nurses point ie just because you are outside doesn't mean it is better than inside.... if your children are outside too