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[TattooedGrrrl]

Here we go again- join here if you have 2 or more kids under the age of 3. Feel free to update / whinge / look for advice / gloat about how sleep you've had

For any newbies, I have 2 boys, aged 2yrs and almost 9mths.

well done Chaotica.

I went to bed early and was asleep by 8.30pm, and Dylan didn't wake until 12.15am, so it was a good start. I feel much better today- i was awful with the kids last night, really impatient and nasty

Having a good day so far, been for a walk, bolognaise in the slow cooker, put some washing away, George just fallen asleep on the armchair and Dylan just gone to sleep on my lap. Ah the peace!

Good luck Simpson- i'm lucky that my real MIL was lovely, and my step MIL is a bit scatty but helpful.

DH having the snip tomorrow I'm dropping him off at the hospital and driving back on my own, but it'll be 7.30am so the roads should be nice and quiet.

ds2 started clapping and banging toys together today [proud mummy]

he's constipated tho
have given lots of fruit juice for tea so hope that gets things moving....

watched monsters inc with ds1 for the first time - trying to get a positive association with monsters as he's recently got it into his head to be scared of them. not sure when we'll get to bed tho!

right, hopefully everyone having a positive day and sorry i've not been on in ages, have lost track of potty training/sleeping/illnesses/etc. but hope everyone is well

Hi ladies...

JKS -- well done to your DS2. We have problems with monsters in our house too. I take the "monsters are just like us" line (in fact, there's a family of them who live down the street who come around for coffee and sometimes take DD's chocolate without asking). So the answer to "I'm not doing X, there's a monster in there" is "Really? How nice! Have you offered her a grape?" The downside of this approach is that sometimes I have images of the monsters all hanging around (in the paddling pool in their swim nappies, for instance) and then I know I've lost the plot . Good luck with cheering your DS1 out of it though.

Morning all!
Had holiday from hell last week. I was sick preceeding holiday (upset tummy, headache etc) then FIL got it day before hol, MIL got it 1 day into hol, SIL got it next day, DH the day after, and the DC weren't on best form either! Arhhhhhhhhhhhh. I had been looking forward to it for ages too. The weather was pretty crap anyway, but not a nice way to spend a week at the seaside.......

Am having probs with DS2 (Jacob ) again. He has gone off his milk. Was having about 6 or so oz per feed (formula) but now will only take 4 max. He's started waking more in the night, prob hungry. He isn't vomiting as much but I guess thats because he isn't having as much to vomit up. Never had these issues with Zak ho polished off 8oz every feed like clockwork.......... Am trying to decide whether to start Jacob on baby rice,thou he is only 18 weeks, he does seem interested in food. Maybe he has decided he has had enough milk and wants somethign else Maybe I am mad

had an arse of a night, but i'm buzzing from driving back from the hospital with the kids in the car...even stopped in at the supermarket to get some naughty food for us all.

I actually really enjoyed it

The kids will be at the CMs tomorrow and Friday, but i've booked 2 days off to spend some time with DH and make him bacon sarnies to say thanks for having the snip

Got a feeling today will be a good day- bought some gingerbread men to decorate, making a curry for dinner and no work until Saturday.

Re the monsters thing-George isn't afraid of anything yet. I've made a concerted effort to not look bothered by spiders around him, so he doesn't get it from me. He actually loves bees at the moment

Wow, Grrrl - sounds like you've got a 'having the snip' party going on .

DP has been considering it as neither of us think we can manage number 3, and my career certainly can't and without it I'll be crazier than I am now (crazed ). As it is, I'm s'posed to be getting the mirena coil but the gp can't make an appointment for ages (during which time we might get number 3 anyway ).

Went to the baby group today and had a great time with DS. It's really sweet - he has a little friend, a little girl a month older than him who he's been hanging around with a bit at playgroup and they seemed really happy to see each other after the break . They keep following each other around and handing/throwing toys at each other...

Grrrl - liking bees might be quite useful... (I don't really know whether DD is scared of the monsters or just copying what she hears - she might just wish they stopped eating her chocolate...) (...What? Me and DP?? We wouldn't!)

Dear god, last night's sleep was a joke
George been up and getting out of bed since 4am, i gave up at 5am when he announced he'd pooed, by which time Dylan was awake too. And Dylan was awake every 2hrs. At least i can go to bed for a nap this afternoon if i want.

DH is fine- bit sore. To be fair, people talk quite flippantly about the snip, but when you think about it, it's quite horrible. His stitches are horrible, bless him. Still, i pointed out it'll be worth it, and less traumatic than a baby!

DD is being quite lovely (for a 2 year old) and almost toilet trained (can't be trusted in situations which involve high excitement - like playgroup ). And it's so much easier than nappies (when it works). Pity it won't be possible to potty train DS as well before he's 1...

Grrrl - Hope I didn't sound too flippant about the snip (and I hope your DH is doing well). I think ultimately it will be the contraception of choice around here, but not just yet...

Kaybee - sorry to hear you had a crap holiday. Don't know what I'd do about the food for Jacob - both mine were different: DD weaned without a hitch at about that age (maybe a week or two older) because she was starving and waking every hour; DS (happily) lasted until 6m and still has an on-off relationship with solids at 11m. So I'm no help! But if he's gone off his milk, maybe he's not ready (on the other hand...) -- perhaps try him on a little to see?

I hear Freya singing in a high pitched voice... which means she isn't napping... Damn!

oh i didn't mean you Chaotica- i mean people in general, inc me until now. Hope you didn't think i was being funny towards you!

Thanks Chaotica, he has started drinking a bit more milk again and managed to put on a pound in weight last fortnight so i guess i was panicking a bit early! Am going to hold off for a few weeks at least if I can, though he did look very keen on my chocolate muffin earlier
Got a really snotty response to same question on my post natal thread, so thats the last time I will bother posting on there! Some people are just so far up their own backsides.......

Your poor DH Grrrl, must be painful. I will be making my DH undergo that in the future, once we've decided for sure we don't want any more kids. I am still kinda tempted to try again for a girl.......... Know it will end in tears thou!

Grrrl -- didn't really think I'd offended you (but you can't always tell on the internet, so I was open to paranoia )

Kaybee -- what's with the postnatal threads?? (I'm not on one, btw) Jewels had the same problem when she mentioned going back to work (Sounds like you should hold off for a while, but tell your postnatal thread that you let him eat half your muffin... ...followed by a Happy Meal as he seemed to enjoy that so much. )

No idea what's with the post natal threads - guess there's some holier than thou people lurking on them! I'm not going to post on there again, wasn't much into it anyway! You guys are much more fun
p.s Happy meal, I think you mean Big Mac!

Hi all.

Feeling a bit down- picked the kids up from CMs yesterday, and DS2 hadn't drunk anything at all day (from 8.30 to 4pm) nor had he eaten. He's teething, and not used to this CM (we have to have 2 to cover 3 days) She told me he'd cried alot all day, but she'd had to 'be tough with him', and basically left him cry on the floor. I'm quite upset- as soon as he came home he drank 7ozs and ate a gingerbread man. She should be bonding with him, not ignoring him to 'toughen him up', he's 10 fucking months, teething and doesn't know her very well. I feel like shit for leaving him there. I'm going to see if the other CM has another free day so they can just stay with her. It hadn't been an issue with DS1 because he was always happy to go, never cried etc. (She had him when i returned to work before DS2 was born) I have heard her talking about other upset kids she's looked after, and she's sounded harsh, plus she's criticised other parents to me. I think it's time to get rid of her.

I really hope the other CM has a day, otherwise i may have to cut my hours at work. She's much more expensive and doesn't do a sibling discount, but she also doesn't talk about upset babies like naughty dogs that must be trained, or leave him crying.

Morning, Ladies.

WTF, Grrrl -- I wish I could sound reassuring about that CM but she sounds like a cow. Babies cry and have to be held (or at least that's what the 2 cm's I've used have done and they have the arm muscles to prove it!). I know that Connor has had trouble settling (seems like it's his general attitude to life) and has only just really started enjoying himself at the CMs, but she's been really patient with him and only really hinted afterwards that he'd been grumpy. Hope your other cm can find space (it's awful being so reliant on good childcare, don't know what I'd do with my cm).

It's chucking it down here - need to invent some wet weather entertainment... And fast!

that CM does sound a bit shit grrrl. And the talking about other parents/children bit is just awful. I mean, you just know she is talking about you and yours to others; not nice at all.

Oh agree kaybee about the postnatel thread. I have nearly given up on mine since the only acceptable post is one that does raise any thoughts or eyebrow raising. This is my favourite thread

Have a cold! So am sat here, laptop warming my knee, beechams cold and flu remedy down throat, tissues everywhere. Girls are being good. Only annoying this is this: Freya used to always want to walk andnot be in buggy and now walks alot. Now though, she has started to want to go back in the buggy! We have the P&T as I know quite a few of us on here do, but should I be saying no, you can walk? Or just pop her back in? I thought the time was coming for me to be forgetting the doubles kit for good - wrong!!

the other CM does have room, so i'm going to give 3 wks notice and take the boys out of the other one. It's more expensive, but i'd rather have to eat more baked beans but know they have a bit more affection and consistency. I hope the same CM each time will make him more settled- he does eat and drink more with her already, and she looked disgusted when i told her about the 'toughening him up'.

The good CM brought them back early today because Dyl has slept the whole time he was there and been a bit groggy and she was worried, so taking him to the doctor's this afternoon for a check-up. He seems fine now he's home, but better safe than sorry. And at least she thought to ring and ask what i thought.

Grrrl - So glad your better CM has room. It's worth the money (and beans are pretty healthy anyway!).

Hope Dyl isn't ill again. Connor has been moaning and picking at his ear again so I was thinking about going to the dr.s myself today. (Am risking it in favour of baking a cake with DD I think.)

Jewels - get well soon!

Grrrl - The more I think about it, the more I think your "bad" CM should be reported for what she did (not that I'm suggesting you do it as it's probably loads of hassle). Your poor Dylan.

(And I'm not even premenstrual )

Grrl that's horrible about your CM being such a cow, glad to hear that you can get the kids in the extra day with the nice one!

Had eventful day today. Took Zak swimming and forgot to take him a nappy to change back into after, so had to use a swim one. I figured it would do for a bit until I could get a proper one on him. However he fell asleep in the car. We went to have a look at my SIL's friend getting married and were in the church when my MIL said Zak had done a poo, and that's when I remembered the swim nappy was still on! So I had to sneak him out, get back to the car and change his nappy in the boot. But the damn swim one had leaked and his jeans were all wet, so I couldnt put them back on him and I didnt have anything else . So I put him back n the pram and put a blanket over him and we went to wait outside the church. I felt so bad as he looked so silly with just a tshirt, jumper and nappy! Poor wee man! What a terrible mother! God it's just so hard carting soooooo much stuff around all the time for the 2 of them. I always have an emergency babygro for Jacob but from now on I am going to have tracksuit bottoms in the car for Zak just in case........

Hope you all have a nice weekend. My Dad is going to meet Zak for the first time on Sunday, all going well. He flies into Heathrow and we are going to try to meet him at St Pancreas before he catches the Eurostar to Paris..... Can't manage both boys on the tube with the p&t but am sure Jacob won't mind missing out for now. Dad is coming back to London for a few days at the end of the month so will see them both a bit more then hopefully!

Hi all,

Hope you feel better jewels, and that Connor isn't getting ill again Chaotica.

Doc said Dyl was fine, think he was just teething and sickening for home.

Have spoken to my boss, and if i work a little longer on Saturdays, i can finish earlier on Thursdays, so less childcare costs and more time for Dyl at home.

DH is still sore (and a bit whingy) but i prob would be aswell if i had bruising and stitches down there!

Knackered- v early night for me tonight i think.

Hope everyone is good.

Aaaargh! This weather is giving me cabin fever! (Must buck up my wet-weather attitude quickly before I lose my rag entirely...)

Hello everyone,

I am over the worst of my cold and just thankful that the girls have not got it (yet)

Izzy has a new tooth today, she was a bit grisly last night, didn't have to go in or anything, just could hear her having a little moan.

DH out mowing the lawm. We have a huge garden and are thinking about getting a petrol mower, so went out this morning looking at them. DH was in total heaven.

Just watching GP, getting Izzy up soon, glad you are all ok.....mmm....nothing at all to report!!

is it possible to die from sleep deprivation?!

Dyl went down at 6pm, i went to sleep 8.30pm. He was up 10.30, 12 ish, 2am, 3.30am, and has screamed bloody murder since 4am, so have brought him downstairs. Have changed him and given him calpol and a bottle. He's now on my lap waving to me and saying hiya.

I have work today... Blurgh!

Hello!
Can I join?
Have one truly delightful 2.5 year old dd, and one noisy lovely 8 week old ds. Am about to go back to bed -note time as ds has dropped off again, dd will get up in an hour with Daddy while he gets ready for work, then hopefully after, we can grab an extra hours kip (or dd can watch a film while I kip - ds dependable of course)

So complicated!!