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[TattooedGrrrl]

Here we go again- join here if you have 2 or more kids under the age of 3. Feel free to update / whinge / look for advice / gloat about how sleep you've had

For any newbies, I have 2 boys, aged 2yrs and almost 9mths.

hi diddle & beforesunrise, and welcome

little tikes do a car transporter that has 2 cars in it and it's big enough to sit on - it is bulky mind you.
ds1 and 2 both seem to like it.

here's one

ds2 slept 6.30-6.30 hoorah
ds1 7-6.30
and dh off today so we are going to a farm later
hoorah

Hi everyone

Had a bad night with DD last night its her teeth bless her

Dh just got back from hospital we were told in Holland that his collar bone would take 6 weeks to heal but he had an x ray today and its healing ok but the bad news is it is going to take 12-18 weeks. Ahhhhhhh

Hi Ladies!

JKS - thanks! That's exactly the kind of thing I might go for. (Although he went on a ride on thing at playgroup today which he rather liked.)

Simpson - your poor DH - I hope he's feeling a bit better at least.

BTW How is your DH, Grrrl?

There is too much teething going on on this thread! Sympathy to everyone who is suffering (even secondhand...). I just gave DS some calpol to see if he'd eat anything as he's only touched porridge all day. (What he really wants for his birthday is some teeth ) He seems to have cheered up already. On the other hand, DD went to the dentist for the first time today.

Aaaargh. Freya is still waking and screaming even though she's got a nappy on at nap times and night time. It's good (because she knows she wants to go) and bad because she just can't do it on her own). DP is away tonight and it's going to be really hard to deal with it on my own (especially since she wakes Connor).

Chaotica- worse. I made him go to the doctors, because they hadn't even told him if the stitches needed removing or if they dissolved. Luckily, it was a locum GP who used to perfom vasectomies, so he was really helpful. It looks like the stitches on one side are poor, and it may be getting infected. He's been signed off work for a bit and given anti biotics, it hurts more now than before, and it was done over a week ago. I feel really sorry for him. And George kneed him in the balls earlier

Hell, Grrrl . Good job you got him to go to the GP. I hope the antibiotics work quickly.

On another subject: I am a crap mother, tonight at least. After DD had woken DS for the third time (she was supposed to be in bed too) I cracked and yelled at her. Like that's going to promote good sleeping... Have apologised, but I still feel like shit about it. I hate to say it though, but it has stopped her every-five-minutes whining (although she's got me up there once since, it was at least for a dirty nappy).

Chaotica - another crap mother here

Whenever i tried to tidy up today ie put DD's bumbo away, then her bouncy chair away there was her car seat!! It felt like I had 100 car seats in the house. Eventually I lost my rag and flung said car seat in front room and said "fucking thing!!" Guess what DS has been saying all afternoon

Disclaimer: Don't actually own a car to leave car seat in permanently!!

Grrl - hope your DH ok soon. Not showing this to my DH as want him to have snip so far he is refusing

At least I'm not alone, Simpson. (So far DD hasn't repeated anything I've said, but I know it's just a matter of time ).

DD has had me up there twice more, poor love Got to sort out this problem soon... Jewels - I know you had the nappy-removal problem at night and this is similar (Freya wants to use the potty but isn't quite able, especially at night) - what did you do with your Freya? Has it worked?

(I don't think our Freya is ready to get rid of night nappies - she's certainly not dry - but the will is there so I don't want to put her off.)

Must go to bed before I fall asleep on the keyboard.

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Afternoon, Ladies

Can I just indulge in a proud mummy moment?...

Took (very grumpy) DS swimming again today and there happened to be an instructor there so DS and I paddled over for some advice. She suggested some things to help him then said he wouldn't be able to manage much of it until at least 18m, perhaps 2.6. At which point she tried him out and he did most of what she'd suggested straight away at 11m. She was very surprised. This is the boy who has been slow to roll, sit, crawl... (you get the picture) - at least it seems he's ahead of the game with swimming.

(Not only that, but it cured the grumpiness for the day and he's knackered.)

I'll stop beaming proudly now, I promise (probably in for another near sleepless night).

Chaotica - well done on your DS You never know it may have knackered him out so much that he sleeps well tonight, fingers X

Had a bit of a stressful day here DD still not herself and can't put her down at all and have been trying to sort out the last bits for Ds's birthday party tomorrow.

Both Dcs have had melt down DD currently in bed and DS watching ITNG

DD's buggy has been broken by the airline (why didn't we get insurance?!)So have to cough up £60 we DON'T have to get another one. Grrrr...

Well chaotica I am not albe to offer much advice because DD just does gos to sleep straight away and I wake her at 7. I wish she would wake up if she needs the potty! Instead, I would say 1 in 5 nights are wet. I have actually been thinking about re-nappying her and trying again in a few weeks. Isn;t it always just when you thnk you've cracked it?!! It is great that [your] Freya is actually thinking about not wanting to wee in her bed, so I think you may as well just go with it and start the potty training, she sounds very ready to me.

Izzy has been Grizzy today. She has her bottom two teeth, but it seems there is one on the top too and it is wearing all of us down. Put her down today with calcol and ibroprofen in the hope it is enough. We have to get some Calpol night but forgot it today. Must get some tomorrow for the holiday.

Yes, we have a 6 hour drive tomorrow with two girls and I am dreading it. Send me your happy baby vibes ladies, I am going to need em.

Wishing you all good weeks, talk soon xx

Jewels - good luck with journey tomorrow. We were in car for about the same time when we went to Holland and they were not too bad at all

Ok thick mummy here but what is calpol night and is it any different to normal calpol?

Grrl for your DHs bits
Chaotica you are not a bad mother, I have done worse many times
Jaysfinished at your big beautiful babies - tell us about Justin! Im sure we have all been through it.

We are a house of pox. Yes, Stella finally caught chickenpox from nursery, got a call on wednesday morning at work to pick her up. So far has been OK but she looks terrible tonight, absolutely covered. She also has a big lump behind one year, Im guessing her lymph node is up? Took a while to get her off to sleep tonight plus Billy wailed forever too but they are both off now. God knows what sort of night Im going to have, on my own too .

Help what can I do with them tomorrow??? Cant take her anywhere as she is too covered.

hi to the newbies

Grrl sorry to hear about your DH - that sounds horrible, def won't mention it to my DH as want him to have it done once we have def decided not to have any more.

Good luck for your journey Jewels!

Sorry to hear about the arrival of the pox at your place Cazwa, hope you have an ok night.

I feel like a bad mummy at the mo. Jacob (ds2) is on some kind of sleep strike in the day, and wakes after 30mins of sleep and refuses to go back off It's making me cranky and I keep snapping at Zak (as well as inwarding screaming at Jacob to shut the up)
It's just so frustrating that I have ended up with 2 kids EXACTLY THE BLOODY SAME. Why Why Why

Am feeling stressed now too about impending move back to NZ, worrying about how we will survive without all our stuff for 3 months ...... why am I doing this??!?

Evening Ladies,

A hug to you, Kaybee - I don't normally go in for that kind of thing but you sound stressed. It must be ridiculously hard to move across the world with family and things in tow (a friend of mind just managed from the states and they're still as sane as they ever were).

Poor you as well, Cazwa. No ideas for things to do tomorrow but I hope Stella isn't feeling too horrible.

And good luck in the car, Jewels. Rather you than me! (Sorry - but my two have an upper limit of 2 hours before the whinging becomes unbearable.)

hello all again, in dire need of some words of sympathy! does anyone else have 2 dcs who are not good sleepers? i thought with dd1 i had had enough bad sleep to afford me at least 5 good sleepers, alas it seems that dd2 is also a bit tricky... she used to be ok at night but the last 2 nights has been waking a million times, and it is impossible to get her to nap during the day... we have no routine whatsoever and it is driving me insane! i feel like i am the only mother in the world who cant figure out sleep and routine... to top it all off dd1 seems intent on dropping her nap, which i think she still desperately needs....

oh and i have the cold from hell!

aaaaaaarrrgghhhhhhhhhh

beforesunrise- DS1 didn't sleep through until he was 1yr old, and only in the last few months has DS2 napped in the day. He's 10.5mths and he wakes once a night now, which is a massive improvement in the last few wks. I've given up trying to work out sleep and routines- they'll do things when they're ready i think. I can't wait for DS2 to sleep through too though. It WILL get better in the end....it has to!

God we're all having a crap time and the winter colds haven't even started!

Well I had a shocker of a night. Took an hour to get both off to sleep, then Stella started crying the second I put my foot into the bath Id ran. I was up till past midnight with her, poor thing, she is really ill with the pox today. Am worried one of them on her face has got infected, it looks dreadful. DS woke at 5.45am and was sick in our bed. Have had 5 hours sleep and a day from hell apart from a lovely lunch with friends minus kids, a window of calm!

Am going to force myself to go to bed for 930. Tomorrow going to grandparents and fling children at them. Both DC have rotten colds to boot, and DS hasnt even sprouted the pox yet though surely he has caught it?

Also I am at that crap stage with DS where he wants to walk with you holding his hands ALL THE TIME except its killing my back and screams when you force him to sit down. He cant bloody crawl or pull himself up or even cruise but can run with me holding his hands, how annoying!

Im off to bed. sigh.

tattoed, dd1 is 2.7 and still doesnt sleep through... shes done it maybe 10 times in her life....

Hey Tattooedgrl, just looked at your pics, what are your tats of? Are they significant? I have very nearly got one many times but always bottled it. Thank god otherwise I would have ended up with flower fairies or some very bad celtic designs

HAve you seen this tattooed cake website? How cool??

Am totally shattered and now having a well deserved glass of wine.

DS's birthday party went well just let the kids run round like mad things and we had bouncy castle in garden and bubble machine on. Pretty much all of the food went too was worried about the weather at one point today but it brightened up thank goodness

Sorry too tired for personals more tomorrow I promise

Well done for the party, Simpson. You must be exhausted but I bet your DS had a great time.

Cazwa - Sorry to hear Stella is so sick. I think it can take up to 14 days for the spots to show so your DS might get it in a while (and I guess he will get it).

Around here, DS has a cold (to add to his usual teething) but has improved on being fed calpol. And DD has actually gone to sleep rather than yelling for the potty (I bribed her to use it earlier with chocolate - I admit it). Perhaps I'll get some sleep tonight...

Beforesunrise- you poor thing. I bet i sound like an arse saying about not sleeping through until 1yr old..like i did when people would be all 'He doesn't sleep through? My darling Tarquin slept through at 5wks...and has a reading age of 15' How much do they wake / what do they want when they do?

Cazwa- that cake is cool.
They're oriental designs, just because i think they look beautiful, although i had the Chinese symbol for family to represent the kids. The half sleeve isn't finished yet, there's more colour to do, which i'm doing this month. Last one then though.

gosh no dont worry.... i dont tell people in RL that dd1 doesnt sleep through because i have had enough of their 'helpful' (or just smug!) comments, but here i feel it is ok and you dont sound like an arse at all...

dd1 i think wakes up now because of sheer habit, and comes into our bed. dd2 started off as a normal sleeper, then last week lulled me into a false sense of security by sleeping through for 5 nights in a row (including once 9-7!) and now is waking up 2-3 times a night, i feed her back to sleep and as soon as i try to put her in her cot she wakes up. perhaps i should just start co-sleeping again...

i dont know what to do!

Afternoon, ladies.

DS rarely sleeps through and he's nearly 1 (think I had it easy with DD). It doesn't help that he's in a cot in our room and we don't have anywhere else to put him on his own. (I'm planning to put him in with DD when he does sleep through - whenever that is...)

Chaotica- i've put both mine in together, and DS1 rarely wakes if DS2 does, and even then he just looks at me with DS2 and goes back to sleep. It's so liberating having no cot in our room! Well, i say liberating, it's not as if we have any energy for sex, and i still have to get up in the night with DS2, but it's nice not having baby / kids stuff in there.

Beforesunrise- i don't know what to suggest. I usually just think do what feels right. I read a nice article in a section of the Guardian about co-sleeping. It said that since they are small for so little time, the mothers mentioned loved co sleeping. I think the most important thing is to ignore what you're 'meant' to do, sod the 'mustn't co sleep, spoilt the child' brigade. If you are all sleeping and happy, do whatever. I think most people exaggerate what their kids do / don't do anyway. And some just like being competetive, as if their kids sleeping all night means they're a better parent or something. You have my sympathy though- i've suffered with 'sleep insanity' many times; sleep deprivation is a killer, and so stressful.

Anyway- got my hair chopped, but i went plum, not blonde. I love it, i look 100% better, and feel it. Having a chinese tonight, and wine, and the huge bag of Jelly Tots my gran gave me for the kids...it's my duty to save their teeth! (Isn't it?)