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Lost my shit today.

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MooseBreath · 17/09/2026 03:16

I am really struggling with my two children lately (6 and 4). Usually I think I am a good parent. I try really hard to set clear boundaries, enforce those boundaries with a combination natural consequences, time out (mainly for the 4-year-old), and loss of privileges like screen time (mainly for the 6-year-old), and listen/talk to my children about how they are feeling. I want to say in advance that I love both of my children, they are both fantastic human beings, and I tell them that I love them every day...there is no lack of love in this house.
My 4-year-old has always been a good sleeper and a bit of a free spirit (high energy all day, and then just conks out). He has a 7pm bedtime and does not nap, and once is put to bed, he is out like a light. My 6-year-old (who has a 7:30pm bedtime) has developed a tendency to reject bedtime and refuses sleep despite being exhausted; he has also been exhibiting other behaviours around pushing boundaries regarding his independence and autonomy (refusing to poop regularly and sneaking snacks despite having refused meals and snacks). If it is relevant, the 6-year-old is highly intelligent and is being assessed for mild autism which runs in his father's family.
Recently, my children have had to share a bedroom because we are renovating the master bedroom and master bathroom of our house. The children are sharing a room so that my husband and I are not stuck sleeping on the sofa for six weeks. Let's just say, it has not been going well.
My 6-year-old has been waking his brother when he goes to bed and keeping him awake by playing, talking, and encouraging him to shout down to my husband and I to say they can't sleep. I know it is the 6-year-old doing this because the 4-year-old is very much asleep when I put the 6-year-old to bed, and the 4-year-old has told me that his brother wakes him up.
The first night, my husband and I agreed to let it slide because sharing a room was a novelty. The kids wound up staying awake playing until well after 10pm. We also woke at 5am to the sound of the children playing catch with their stuffies. At this stage, I went to their room and told them it was not an appropriate time to wake up and that they needed to go back to sleep until 6:30am. I wound up having to go in an additional three times to tell the children to get back into bed and be quiet until 6:30am.
On the subsequent nights, we took a harder stance. We made it very clear that bedtime was not playtime, that nobody was to wake their sibling, and that even if they could not sleep they were to lay in bed quietly to be respectful to those who are trying to sleep. They were told that if they did not follow those bedtime rules, they would be losing screen time privileges for the next day. The 4-year-old continued to go to sleep straight away, and the 6-year-old did not wake his brother for a few nights at bedtime, but they continued to get up at ridiculously early times in the morning to play. I took away screen time for both children because of this, but it has had little effect whatsoever (minus the fact that both children are constantly whining that they want to watch TV or play Nintendo, and then I have to explain again why they are not allowed to do this, so it feels like me who is actually being punished).
Last night was at its peak. My 4-year-old had an accident in the bed at 2:30am (fair enough, it happens), so I got them cleaned up, changed the sheets, and put them back to bed. I reminded them that it was the middle of the night and that they needed to go back to sleep. From 2:30 onwards, both children spent the night talking, laughing, screaming, playing, and jumping from the bed to the floor. I went in every fifteen minutes to tell them to knock it off and go to sleep, and every time they got back in bed and agreed to do as they were told. Looking back, I know that what I was doing was ineffective, but I was so exhausted from the lack of sleep lately that it didn't click in my mind that I should stick one of the children in the bed with my husband and stay in the bed with the other child. At 6:30am, my husband and I sat down with the children, read them the riot act, and took away all screen time for the rest of the week and removed toys from their bedroom. It was not a pleasant morning, but we managed to keep calm despite it being fairly obvious that we were sleep deprived and furious.
So here we are this evening. My husband went out after work with his Dad, which left me with the kids. Totally fine, I figured we'd have the same sort of evening as usual. I put the 4-year-old to bed at 7pm. He was still awake at 7:30pm when I put the 6-year-old to bed, did the bedtime routine as I usually do, reminded them of the nighttime expectations, and left. The laughing and giggling started up as soon as I shut the door. I immediately opened the door and told them firmly to stop talking and go to sleep. It started again as soon as I closed the door. I went back into the room and yelled at them, telling them that they were behaving disrespectfully and that they needed to stop fooling around and sleep like big boys, not toddlers. I went downstairs. I could hear them talking and giggling, but decided for my own sanity to stay downstairs for a while and cool off. An hour later, the 6-year-old shouted down that they couldn't sleep.
And I lost my shit. Honestly, I felt like a woman possessed. I was yelling and crying and just completely at my wits' end. Naturally, the 6-year-old started crying too, so then he was in hysterics but I couldn't deal with his overtired meltdown when I was having one of my own. I took the 4-year-old to the bedroom I am staying in and had him go to sleep in there (he passed out within two minutes).
I went back up to see the 6-year-old half an hour later and he was still sobbing, so I tried to talk to him. But he was being rude and defiant, saying that he doesn't have to sleep if he doesn't want to and that I can't make him. I told him that if he doesn't get enough sleep, he will wind up getting sick, and he says he doesn't care. So he started having a tantrum. I couldn't deal with the tantrum and left.
So now I'm sitting downstairs, a complete mess, while my sleep-deprived, exhausted 6-year-old is screaming in his room. I want to go to bed, but I can't because the 4-year-old is there, and I can't move him back to the other room.
Honestly, I feel like such a failure as a parent. I feel so ineffectual and useless that a 6-year-old can walk all over me like this. I am essentially a walking zombie at this stage.
If anyone has any advice or ideas or even commiserations, I would appreciate it. I have no idea what to do. I just want to cry and sleep.

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BibbityBoppityTwo · 17/09/2026 03:23

Sleep issues with kids can be absolutely maddening. You’re exhausted and want a break and that’s when they decide to play up. Would it be worth looking into melatonin for the six-year-old? Something obviously has to give here.

Rainallnight · 17/09/2026 03:29

Sympathies, OP. Losing your shit with them is horrible but if happens.

I think you’ll have to separate them for the rest of the renovations. One in with you, one with DH.

AutumnLoverButNotYet · 17/09/2026 03:34

((HUG)))

there's a reason they use sleep deprivation as a form of torture🙇🏻‍♀️🙇🏻‍♀️

For starters, it stopped feeling like the worst parent that ever lived!! it'll do them no harm to been properly told off tonight. As you may have guessed it probably won't do much good either though.

Stop re-explaining why they have lost their screen time, just say 'you know why & every time you ask you will lose more screen time'
Just be firm.

I would put the four-year-old to bed in your room, then the six-year-old to bed in their room and only move the four-year-old back into their room when you both go to bed.

Which one is the one likely to be waking up first and waking up the other one morning? If it's the six year-old tell him that for every 15 minutes he is making a noise before a set time he will go to bed 15 minutes earlier that night & and do it. He will be going to bed before the four year-old and he will hate that, but such is life.

as for being rude and defiant, I would pick a completely different punishment than losing screen time.

Is there anything at all you can do to make the renovation go quicker?

It must be your turn to go out on Friday night and leave DH to it!! 🍷

I know the saying really annoys a lot of people, but it got me through some tough times!! ' This too shall pass, this too shall pass, this two shall pass'

You can love them whilst not always liking them!!

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MooseBreath · 17/09/2026 04:26

Thank you for the kind words.

@BibbityBoppityTwo I can't currently start melatonin with DS because he is starting a different medication for his refusal to poop. His doctor has advised that we keep his diet the same with no new medications or supplements for now. Otherwise this would be something to try!

@Rainallnight I think you're right. DH is in with the 6-year-old tonight and I suppose it will have to be a longer term solution.

@AutumnLoverButNotYet Ooh, not sure why it never occurred to me to just say "you know why." I will do that. Not sure who is waking who in the morning, but I would guess it's the 4-year-old since he's more of a natural early riser and wakes up very excited for the day. We can't make the renovation go quicker unfortunately, it is all down to builders (we can't do plumbing and reframing ourselves, and the reno is being done due to structural issues). As for the different punishment for 6-year-old...any suggestions? He is otherwise such a good, shy kid and likes reading, ice hockey, and board games, none of which I feel comfortable removing; the screen time was the one thing I feel is a reasonable removal!

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Pumpkindoodles · 17/09/2026 07:56

What about not punishing him? Or keeping the screen time punishment since you’ve already set that. But what about putting him to bed earlier and doing a longer process to wind down so he’s more ready for sleep when you leave? It’s the start of a new school year if you’re in the uk and the house is being renovated and now they’re sharing a room, and the new noises of a new person in there, or being in a new room, and having someone that goes to sleep later or earlier than you. it’s probably a bit unsettling (and exciting), maybe just give him a bit more getting to sleep support?

TunnelLight · 17/09/2026 08:38

Do you read to your children at night whilst in bed? We found this 30 minutes of listening to a story each night set them up for sleep. It’s calming being read to, then lights out. Maybe your 6 yo needs a slightly later bedtime (8pm) and 30 minutes being read to.

Peonies12 · 17/09/2026 09:02

They're going to bed very early? I'd try later bedtime and you'll just have to keep them in separate room during this time. You sleep with one and DH with the other. You can't force them to go to sleep - imagine someone standing over you shouting at you to go to sleep. Surely far easier if they have the same bedtime, and you stay with them whilst they wind down, reading books, and what about using an audiobook whilst they fall asleep?

Peonies12 · 17/09/2026 09:03

Punishment for not going to sleep seems entirely unreasonable to me. They need your support to calm down for sleep, not threats. They're still so young.

ToddlerFun1234 · 17/09/2026 14:00

I would buy a pull out sofa, sleep in the living room, give them each a bedroom, and be done with it.

I don't understand why you are punishing the 4 year old who clearly wants to sleep. It's the 6 year old winding him up, clearly.

And a 7.30 bedtime might be too early at age 6. I think 8-8.30 is more usual in my circle.

MooseBreath · 17/09/2026 15:14

@Pumpkindoodles I am in Canada, but it is the start of a new school year too. So I do understand that loads of things have changed for him and I am trying to be understanding of that. The issues regarding bedtime refusal, toilet refusal, and food refusal predate all of this, so while I think it's relevant that life is in a bit of an upheaval right now, it's not the entirety of it. I understand the logic of having him go to bed in 15-minute increments earlier, but practically I don't know that it's possible to get him to bed before 7pm based on dinner, bath, reading, and work schedules. Your words are appreciated though!

@TunnelLight I have always read to my children before bed. I still do, and after I leave, my children are allowed to continue looking at books until they are ready to sleep (my 6-year-old is reading novels and my 4-year-old makes up stories while he looks at the pictures on the odd night he doesn't go straight to sleep). If the 6-year-old wants to quietly read until 9pm, I am not bothered in the slightest, it's the fact that he continually shouts down, wakes his brother to mess about, and refuses to attempt sleep.

@Peonies12 I did not write out their full bedtime routine, but these boys definitely have calm before bed. They have bathtime, I read to them, and I sing them a lullaby before giving them a kiss goodnight (plus a little ritual 'hedgehog kiss' that my 6-year-old made up). The reminder to behave is very recent and is still calm; I am doing it because they are young, so I'm not assuming that they will remember rules without an active reminder. It's certainly not a threat.

@ToddlerFun1234 A pullout sofa isn't really in the budget at the moment, and we have nowhere to put it. The boys being in the same room is only temporary (which I keep reminding myself) because once the construction is done on the master bedroom, they can have their own spaces again. I am punishing the 4-year-old because I strongly suspect he is the one waking the 6-year-old in the early mornings (the 4-year-old has always been an early riser and is very high energy and excited for the day). While the 4-year-old is easier in many respects, especially when it comes to going to sleep at night, he is in no way an innocent party! 7:30pm bedtime is very normal where I am (in Canada), and if I'm honest, I think we would have the exact same issue with pushback and defiance if I made it 8:00pm or 8:30pm; I don't think it's about my son not being tired, it's about him wanting control. With 7:30pm as bedtime, I am allotting 11 hours of sleep for him (he functions at his best with 11 hours, despite his best efforts to have less than 5) because we need to get up at 6:30am for school.

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