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5yo getting in trouble every single day at school 😩

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CosyJumpersAndRain · 09/10/2025 13:17

hi all, just need a bit of a handhold really cos i feel like i’m doing everything wrong 😭

my son’s only just started year 1 and we’ve literally had a message or “a quick word” at pick up every single day since term started. shouting out, not sitting still, pushing other kids when he’s frustrated, running off in the playground. teacher said he’s “always on red” on their behaviour chart and today she actually said he’s the only one in the class who’s not had a single green day 😩 i just felt so embarrassed

he’s full of energy, like never stops moving, always has been. bedtime’s a nightmare, up and down all night. eats basically nothing except plain pasta and cereal 🙈 i know it sounds bad but i’m literly exhausted with him. we’ve tried reward charts, taking screen time off, talking to him calmly, shouting (i know i shouldn’t), everything. he just laughs or goes into full meltdown mode

school hinted about maybe “further support” but i’ve no idea what that means or if they think it’s something serious. partner just says “he’ll grow out of it” but i’m not so sure anymore.

has anyone else had a 5yo like this and it turned out ok?? i feel like the worst mum ever 🤦‍♀️x

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Katherina198819 · 10/10/2025 08:08

gamerchick · 09/10/2025 21:23

Fucking hell. A ND kid would be wibbling in a corner starving to death if people who enforce this stuff were in charge.

This place is weird tonight.

Talk to the school OP, ask what they mean about extra support. They've seen it all.

Since when did every child with difficult behaviour automatically get labelled as having ND? Honestly, it’s become a Mumsnet classic — the second a parent mentions their kid acting up, it must be autism or ADHD.

Before we all start blaming a 5-year-old, maybe OP could look at what she can change first. If the child’s having loads of screen time, barely any proper meals, and mostly sugary snacks, then of course their behaviour will be all over the place. That’s not a diagnosis — that’s just cause and effect.

OP sounds overwhelmed, which happens to a lot of parents. No judgement — sometimes we all slip into the “give in for an easier life” stage. But before assuming something medical is going on, it’s worth tightening up routines, reducing screens, and setting clearer boundaries.

If things don’t improve after that, then yes — get the school involved and look into possible underlying issues. But schools can’t fix parenting problems, and not every badly behaved child has a diagnosis waiting to happen.

chillicheeseandchocolate · 10/10/2025 08:17

Big hugs OP, I know how you’re feeling. My DS was exactly the same, he found the transition really hard from play based learning to more structure in Y1. The daily chats were mortifying. School started a communication book and a reward system so that I didn’t have to be singled out everyday. It could be attention seeking behaviour, a new baby is hard on the whole family. Can you get to a local park on the way home from the school or let him into the garden when you get home to burn off excess energy. Maybe a small indoor trampoline or balance board? If my DS gets a bad report or loses reward time, he’ll have a consequence at home.
Can you give him a few minutes daily one on one time, play a board game, read a book etc this has really helped to calm my DS and manage bedtimes.
If school are offering more support absolutely take it.
My DS is in Y4 now and things haven’t improved, he is on the ADHD pathway. Consequences, routine and consistency are key in managing behaviours.

Crapola25 · 10/10/2025 08:24

@Katherina198819 I think you are missing the point that alot of mums on this thread are mums to SEN kids who recognise that what OP is describing sounds alot like what they have experienced themselves with their own kids. It's the combination of disruptive behaviour at school, not eating, not wanting to leave the house, need for movement, not wanting to go to sleep which screams ASD/ADHD. You probably can't relate to any of that and instead have decided (unfairly) that this is down to poor parenting.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

Crapola25 · 10/10/2025 08:26

@Katherina198819 it's also pretty telling that the school have offered further support as they are clearly seeing there is something out of the ordinary happening here.

RedToothBrush · 10/10/2025 08:34

In terms of parenting and SEN I take the attitude that SEN kids need 'double the parenting' of none sense kids or you have double the problems.

This means if you have a SEN kid and you don't parent, you have really bad issues. If you have a SEN kid and parent 'at normal levels' you still have a problem. If you have a SEN kid and parent at double the level of others you might just keep your head above water.

This isn't an exactism (it might well be more than double parenting that's needed, or simply more parenting than usual) but the principle remains the same.

It also means if you don't parent, the lack of parenting DOES show compared to a parent with a similar kid with similar issues.

It would be crazy to suggest differently.

This also has implications in terms of parents who lack the knowledge of how to do 'the extra parenting'. Sometimes this is an education or access issue - which can include socio-economic issues.

But we can't get away from the point that even with SEN kids parenting DOES matter and it's tough. Those who step up, unfortunately have better outcomes than those who are unable to or don't want to.

It shouldn't be this way, but part of the issue is precisely the sheer lack of support.

It sucks.

RedToothBrush · 10/10/2025 08:35

If school are offering support there's a problem one way or another.

School are either safeguarding or seeing SEN.

Schools have less than zero resources. They don't offer support for fun.

FriedPickle · 10/10/2025 08:36

Ok @RedToothBrush

I disagree strongly.

We should not be calling young children ‘nasty’.

RedToothBrush · 10/10/2025 08:38

FriedPickle · 10/10/2025 08:36

Ok @RedToothBrush

I disagree strongly.

We should not be calling young children ‘nasty’.

Yes we should if it's appropriate.

The key word - appropriate.

Katherina198819 · 10/10/2025 08:40

Crapola25 · 10/10/2025 08:24

@Katherina198819 I think you are missing the point that alot of mums on this thread are mums to SEN kids who recognise that what OP is describing sounds alot like what they have experienced themselves with their own kids. It's the combination of disruptive behaviour at school, not eating, not wanting to leave the house, need for movement, not wanting to go to sleep which screams ASD/ADHD. You probably can't relate to any of that and instead have decided (unfairly) that this is down to poor parenting.

What I got from OP’s post isn’t that she’s giving her child screens and junk because that’s what he wants (well, at least not at first); it sounds more like they’ve had a new baby, things are hard, and she’s ended up giving in just to keep the peace. Totally understandable we’ve all been there.

The problem is, once you start giving in, the child realizes that if they kick off, they’ll eventually get what they want. And if dad then overrules mum, it just reinforces that pattern.

Before jumping to diagnoses, maybe it’s worth trying the basics again: cut back on screen time, agree consistent rules with your partner, no more plain pasta (mix in some sauce he actually likes), limit sugary snacks but offer homemade treats now and then, and get outside as much as possible.

If things still don’t improve after that, then yes, it might be something more. But right now it sounds like a little one who’s learned that he’s the boss at home; and who’s struggling when he isn’t.

Katherina198819 · 10/10/2025 09:07

Crapola25 · 10/10/2025 08:26

@Katherina198819 it's also pretty telling that the school have offered further support as they are clearly seeing there is something out of the ordinary happening here.

I’ve worked in schools before — of course they’ll offer help. Sometimes it’s nothing to do with being ND. If a child’s constantly disrupting class and daily chats with the parents don’t make any difference, the school has to step in and offer support.

To be honest, it often comes down to how the parents handle it. Maybe I’m too confident in saying this, but I can usually tell what’s really going on just by how the parents respond. I’ve met plenty of mums who defend their precious little troublemaker and blame everyone else — teachers, other kids, grandparents, aliens — anyone but themselves.

Then there are the parents who genuinely try. If they’ve made real changes and nothing improves, that’s when it’s time to look into assessments.

But let’s be honest: kids don’t eat nothing but Cheerios and plain pasta because they have a condition — they do it because that’s what’s being offered. Mine would happily do the same if I let her. The point is, try changing a few things first before jumping straight to conclusions.

FriedPickle · 10/10/2025 09:12

@RedToothBrush

I would say it’s never appropriate to call a young child nasty.
They will believe that about themselves and internalise it.
Two choices :

  1. address and support inadequate parenting, inadequate schooling, an inadequate environment and use some compassion and empathy to make the child feel good about themselves
  2. call them nasty and give them medication

I know which choice I’d prefer for children and is likely to result in better outcomes.

RedToothBrush · 10/10/2025 09:49

FriedPickle · 10/10/2025 09:12

@RedToothBrush

I would say it’s never appropriate to call a young child nasty.
They will believe that about themselves and internalise it.
Two choices :

  1. address and support inadequate parenting, inadequate schooling, an inadequate environment and use some compassion and empathy to make the child feel good about themselves
  2. call them nasty and give them medication

I know which choice I’d prefer for children and is likely to result in better outcomes.

Edited

Do not police my language. Policing language is harmful.

I've already posted the following on another thread in another context today.

First few paragraphs from this, pretty much cover the subject neatly.
Language as the “Ultimate Weapon” in Nineteen Eighty-Four
George Orwell, like many other literary scholars, is interested in the modern use of the English language and, in particular, the abuse and misuse of English. He realises that language has the power in politics to mask the truth and mislead the public, and he wishes to increase public awareness of this power. He accomplishes this by placing a great focus on Newspeak and the media in his novel Nineteen Eighty-Four. Demonstrating the repeated abuse of language by the government and by the media in his novel, Orwell shows how language can be used politically to deceive and manipulate people, leading to a society in which the people unquestioningly obey their government and mindlessly accept all propaganda as reality. Language becomes a mind-control tool, with the ultimate goal being the destruction of will and imagination. As John Wain says in his essay, “[Orwell’s] vision of 1984 does not include extinction weapons . . . He is not interested in extinction weapons because, fundamentally, they do not frighten him as much as spiritual ones”.
Paul Chilton suggests that the language theme in Orwell’s novel has its roots in the story of the Tower of Babel. When God destroys the Towel of Babel, the civilizations which have contributed to the construction of the Tower suffer ever-after from the Curse of Confusion. The Curse both makes languages “mutually unintelligible”, and alters their nature so that “they no longer lucidly [express] the nature of things, but rather [obscure] and [distort] them”. Orwell’s Newspeak, the ultra-political new language introduced in Nineteen Eighty-Four, does precisely that: it facilitates deception and manipulation, and its purpose is to restrict understanding of the real world. Chilton also suggests that a corollary to this is that “each post-Babel language [becomes] a closed system containing its own untranslatable view of the world”. Certainly, the ultimate aim of Newspeak is to enclose people in an orthodox pseudo-reality and isolate them from the real world.

Whereas people generally strive to expand their lexicon, the government in Nineteen Eighty-Four actually aims to cut back the Newspeak vocabulary. One of the Newspeak engineers says, “[we’re] cutting the language down to the bone . . . Newspeak is the only language in the world whose vocabulary gets smaller every year”. By manipulating the language, the government wishes to alter the public’s way of thinking. This can be done, psychologists theorise, because the words that are available for the purpose of communicating thought tend to influence the way people think. The linguist Benjamin Lee Whorf was a firm believer in this link between thought and language, and he theorised that “different languages impose different conceptions of reality” (Myers 352). So when words that describe a particular thought are completely absent from a language, that thought becomes more difficult to think of and communicate. For the Inner Party, the goal is to impose an orthodox reality and make heretical thought (‘thoughtcrime’) impossible. “In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible,” explains the Newspeak engineer, “because there will be no words in which to express it”.

By design, Newspeak narrows the range of thought and shortens people’s memories. It is therefore ideal for a totalitarian system, in which the government has to rely on a passive public which lacks independent thought and which has a great tolerance for mistakes, both past and present. “To expand language is to expand the ability to think,” says Myers. Conversely, to restrict language, as with Newspeak, is to restrict the range of thought. Chilton identifies the specific features of Newspeak that help restrict thought: “reduced complexity, few abstractions, and no self­reference". Such narrowed public thought is what the Inner Party prefers, because a public that lacks the ability to think vividly poses less of a threat than one that can readily criticise the government and defend itself from harm.

My child and another child were being physically hurt by another child who wanted power and control over them. They were nasty and had no regard for the safety of them. That is nasty. If they lack capacity, it still does not mean they are not nasty. They are still nasty. Children who are not nasty don't get accused of being nasty. At 7 you know if you are being nasty to someone when you threaten to kill them and verbalise you wish they'd die, even if you are SEN. Thats WHY you say it. To get a reaction.

Do not tell me I can not use words because this limits my ability to safeguard my own child.

I am NOT playing these bullshit politics over language.

FriedPickle · 10/10/2025 10:03

@RedToothBrush

The issue is, when people talk about ‘policing language’ and free speech it’s 99% a case of ‘free speech for me and not for thee’.
Why are you allowed under ‘policing language’ to say ‘DO NOT TELL ME’ when I express a view, yet - hypocritically - you ARE allowed to express a view that children are nasty?

Crapola25 · 10/10/2025 10:34

@Katherina198819 so wrong! Your ignorance is unbelievable. "Kids don't eat nothing but cheerios and plain pasta because of a condition"......you clearly know nothing!!!!!
Kids with ASD like my son will only eat their safe foods and eat best when they're regulated. In the last 5 months my son has not gained any weight because of his limited diet. It doesn't matter what is put in front of him, whether we get him to help make dinner, serve dinner, let him choose what he wants in the supermarket, he would rather go hungry that eat something he doesn't want to eat and that's what some kids do.
Your opinions are so outdated. Best take yourself off the thread and go and troll somewhere else.

RedToothBrush · 10/10/2025 10:39

FriedPickle · 10/10/2025 10:03

@RedToothBrush

The issue is, when people talk about ‘policing language’ and free speech it’s 99% a case of ‘free speech for me and not for thee’.
Why are you allowed under ‘policing language’ to say ‘DO NOT TELL ME’ when I express a view, yet - hypocritically - you ARE allowed to express a view that children are nasty?

I'm not hypocritical.

You told me what words I am allowed to use and not use. I did not start a conversation about this. I have not told you not to say words only that restricting others has unintended consequences.

I've not told you what you can and can not say. I've said the implications of restricting other people's language.

You use whatever language you see fit, but don't tell others to adjust their language.

The difference is you are telling me what to say. I am saying no, you do you, whilst I'll do me. Don't tell me what to say.

If you can't understand the difference, its not my fucking problem.

Katherina198819 · 10/10/2025 10:53

Crapola25 · 10/10/2025 10:34

@Katherina198819 so wrong! Your ignorance is unbelievable. "Kids don't eat nothing but cheerios and plain pasta because of a condition"......you clearly know nothing!!!!!
Kids with ASD like my son will only eat their safe foods and eat best when they're regulated. In the last 5 months my son has not gained any weight because of his limited diet. It doesn't matter what is put in front of him, whether we get him to help make dinner, serve dinner, let him choose what he wants in the supermarket, he would rather go hungry that eat something he doesn't want to eat and that's what some kids do.
Your opinions are so outdated. Best take yourself off the thread and go and troll somewhere else.

So now suggesting parents cut the endless screen time and junk food before rushing to label a child is outdated? Give me a break.

I’ve worked in schools and in special needs settings with autistic children — I think know the difference between a genuine developmental issue and a child whose boundaries have completely vanished.

If “being progressive” means jumping straight to diagnoses and paperwork instead of trying a bit of structure and effort at home first, then I’ll happily stay old-fashioned.

Take the iPad away. Give proper meals instead of ultra-processed snacks. Set up a quiet space with puzzles, colouring, anything the child enjoys. Yes, they’ll kick off. It’ll be rough for a week or two — but it gets better. Bit by bit, they’ll calm down, focus, and learn to play.
If that doesn't work, consider get help.

Maybe try parenting before pathologising. Not every tired, sugar-fuelled, overstimulated five-year-old needs an assessment — some just need a reset.

Crapola25 · 10/10/2025 12:56

@Katherina198819 no, still not getting it?! Maybe don't first jump to the conclusion that kids are badly behaved down to poor parenting. I've had to put up with people like you for the last 5 years, think you know everything except you don't have a child with ASD or ADHD so you don't know.

FriedPickle · 10/10/2025 14:53

@RedToothBrush

No. You’re right. Hypocritical people don’t have the self awareness to realise they are being hypocritical.

I can think of certain powerful, rich males who scream ‘free speech’ but are more than happy to use any method they can to silence others who disagree with them.

If you want to go round calling young children ‘nasty’ you crack on - but if you are going to play the ‘free speech card’, then I’ll play mine right back at you! Please don’t attempt to take away my right to ‘free speech’, my right to express my thoughts or try and police my thoughts. I think ‘nasty’ is a bloody awful way to speak about young children. Are you trying to ‘ban’ me from saying that??

Boymummy2015 · 10/10/2025 15:14

Good old MN!
Someone comes on here for advice and everyone jumps down each others throats.

I honestly despair at some of the posts on here at times I really do and I'm sure I'm not alone on this opinion either.

Bottom line is OP has a 5 yo CHILD who for whatever reason is going through some struggles right now. He might be naughty that could actually just be the top & bottom of it because MN naughty kids DO exist.
He could also have some additional needs and there may be a SEN requirement (I'm no expert so couldn't comment).
He could also be finding his feet and his personality/pushing boundaries to see where it gets him.
OR could also be acting out for attention or in reaction to a change in family dynamics with a new baby etc.
What I'm saying is there is SOOOOO many things it could be and non of us here actually have a clue what it is as we do not know OP, her DS or their family.

So maybe before we all say it's this its that, my child did all of this and he/she has this etc etc. Step back.

We could label every child as ND to some extent or other at sometime but it doesn't mean they are.

OP I would set up a meeting with School initially but make some notes of your own and your own concerns before you go. Listen to them and go from there. It could be that he is struggling with being the older sibling etc and School may suggest him having sometime out during the school week to chat to someone. My son's school has whats called the "Sunshine Room" and children with add needs and/or those with things going on in and out of school go there and they can talk or just have that quiet 1-2-1 time.

metellaestinatrio · 11/10/2025 07:25

CosyJumpersAndRain · 09/10/2025 18:14

wow ok 😕 i get what everyone’s saying but some of this feels a bit harsh tbh. i am trying. i’m literally on my own with him most of the day, partner works all hours, baby screaming half the time and the house a bomb site. it’s not like i’m just letting him run wild on purpose 🙈

yes he’s always been full on, and yes i probly rely on screens too much but it’s honestly survival sometimes. if i take it away completely he goes into meltdown mode, proper screaming, throwing stuff. i’ve tried taking it off gradually but then baby wakes up from nap and it all kicks off again 🤦‍♀️

pick up today was awful btw. teacher said he hit another kid with a pencil 😭 said it wasn’t hard but still. i had all the other mums staring while i’m stood there with buggy trying not to cry. i didn’t even know what to say except “i’ll talk to him” but i just wanted the ground to swallow me up.

i know i need to get partner on board more and maybe be firmer but it’s not as easy as just saying “no screens” and “he should do sport” when he’s five and refuses to leave the house some days. i’m not making excuses i swear, i’m just shattered and trying my best x

Try to put yourself in the shoes of the parents whose child was hit with the pencil (what if it had gone in their eye?), or the other kids who are impacted by your son’s behaviour. My son was strangled and bitten by a Reception child when he was in Y2 (and is quite strong and capable of looking after himself!). The mother was incredibly defensive and acted as if her son could do no wrong, despite multiple similar incidents.

Stop feeling embarrassed at pick up and accept the support the school is offering, work with them to help your son to learn how to behave in school. There may be things they can do to help during the school day such as extra breaks to run around and more focussed attention from a TA, but you need to play your part at home as well.

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