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DC don't want to spend Christmas with XH

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RealHousewivesOfTaunton · 13/12/2024 22:18

My DC are 14 and 12. They've alternated spending Christmas between me and XH since we separated nearly 10 years ago. This is XH's year to have them and DD says she doesn't want to go. I don't know what to do for the best.

XH is a bit of a loose canon. He's had problems with alcohol, drugs and his mental health over the last few years. He's had a string of girlfriends, lives with them for a year or so until they get fed up and kick him out. He then sofa surfs with his own family members. He doesn't last long in jobs. He's just finished serving an 18-month driving ban for drug-driving and driving without insurance.

He's very secretive so we're constantly having to piece together the story. As far as we can tell, his latest girlfriend threw him out a couple of months ago and he's currently living on his own. He's also lost his job, was living on benefits for a few weeks but has just stopped receiving those as well. He has the DC for one day every other weekend (no overnights) but it's been a bit patchy recently. The DC usually like spending time with him.

DD says she wants to spend Christmas Day with us. XH hasn't given any indication of what he's planning so as far as she knows, they'll be spending the day in his flat with just him. All my family and MIL are spending the day at my brother's so it's understandable that she sees that as the better option.

If plans stay as they are, the DC will wake up at home, have breakfast and open presents with us before we take them to XH for 10-ish. We'll then collect them at 6. In my mind, it's not that big an ask for them to have Christmas dinner with their dad, open some presents and probably watch a film in the afternoon. If he's sinking back into a depressed car-crash of poverty and substance abuse then I won't be permitting contact. But if he's generally ok then would it be terrible to make her go?

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RealHousewivesOfTaunton · 13/12/2024 22:19

DS is a grumpy teenager and hasn't volunteered an opinion either way. I don't want to plant seeds by asking.

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Elizo · 13/12/2024 22:30

If she is the 12yo I would insist yes. It gets harder when they are teens.

Starlightstarbright4 · 13/12/2024 22:33

Is Dd the 14 or 12 year old .

Either way I think there old enough to make up their own minds . Is there a court order?

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RealHousewivesOfTaunton · 13/12/2024 22:35

She's 12. There's no court order.

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Quitelikeit · 13/12/2024 22:38

God he sounds like a peach

Why not message him and ask if she can come for 3 hours?

healthybychristmas · 13/12/2024 22:40

Bloody hell, I wouldn't want to go there would you? Your poor kids. Tell them it's up to them to make a decision and they are welcome to stay home with you. I would also tell them that I would deal with any fallout rather than them.

RealHousewivesOfTaunton · 13/12/2024 22:41

My brother lives an hour away so that's not possible unfortunately.

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Icanflyhigh · 13/12/2024 22:41

I have a CAO in place and neither of mine want to go, 15 and 12 years old.

Same as you , don't know what to do, but even the judge in court said they will vote with their feet.....

HPandthelastwish · 13/12/2024 22:41

At 12 I'd do what she says she's old enough to know her mind. Contact is to benefit her not him, and I wouldn't want to be spending my Christmas with a drunk, drug taking, loose cannon either.

Doubledded123 · 13/12/2024 22:43

Same here. Mine are 13 15. They're not bothered about going to xh- I don't insist.

TheFormidableMrsC · 13/12/2024 22:43

She's old enough to decide for herself.
There's no court order. This is what happens eventually. Even if there was a court order, the court is not going to enforce it for a 12 and 14 year old.

TheFormidableMrsC · 13/12/2024 22:44

Icanflyhigh · 13/12/2024 22:41

I have a CAO in place and neither of mine want to go, 15 and 12 years old.

Same as you , don't know what to do, but even the judge in court said they will vote with their feet.....

No judge js going to enforce that at their age. Let them decide.

teenmaw · 13/12/2024 22:45

My big one didn't see her dad last year, he's a similar creature. He spent the whole day guilt tripping her over the phone so watch the contact he has with them if they don't go. She didn't tell me til much later in the week. She was 15, she won't be seeing him this year, I'll suggest she blocks him for the day.

RealHousewivesOfTaunton · 13/12/2024 22:47

I think he's a total dick but the DC usually like spending the day with him so I keep my thoughts to myself and a close eye on the situation. We learned during covid to always have a conversation at handover to check that he's in a fit state to look after the DC for the day (not drunk, not in an emotional mess) and have brought the kids back home on occasions where we weren't sure they would be ok.

It's less than ideal, to say the least, and if the DC said they wanted to stop going then I'd support their decision. This just feels like dumping him for a better offer though, rather than actually not wanting to go because he's a feckless twat.

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NotbloodyGivingupYet · 13/12/2024 22:51

But it IS Christmas and he IS a feckless twat. I think they are allowed to choose a more pleasant Christmas at their age, surely? (At any age if there was any justice)

Quitelikeit · 13/12/2024 22:51

Dumping him for a better offer?!

So your child has developed standards and you don’t think that’s her right?

Why don’t you go along to his for Xmas lunch if it’s so fine there!

FloralCrown · 13/12/2024 23:02

She is dumping him for a better offer.

If he wants to see his kids he SHOULD be offering them something better than temporary housing, drunkenness and a lack of effort/care.

Your DD has better standards than you OP, let her make her own choice.

CheshireCats · 13/12/2024 23:06

Wow! I think you should support your Dc's wishes. It's no bloody wonder they don't want to spend Xmas day as you've described it with him. Why on earth would you make them?

TinyMouseTheatre · 13/12/2024 23:10

Please listen to your DC. They are telling you that they don't want to go and they are old enough to choose. At that age they shouldn't be forced to see him and have their feelings about the day overridden. Perhaps ask them if they'd like to suggest another time to see him.

It's not their fault that their DF is such a loser and they certainly should be taught that appeasing Men who are torso losers is their role.

TinyMouseTheatre · 13/12/2024 23:10

*total losers

RealHousewivesOfTaunton · 13/12/2024 23:14

I don't think I'm putting my thoughts across very well. If DD was saying she didn't want to go to her dad's because he'd make it crap, then she'd be absolutely within her rights and I'd keep both DC with us. But she's not. She's perfectly happy to spend any other day with him, before or after Christmas, she just thinks it would be more fun with her cousins. Her dad is quite capable of cooking a nice Christmas dinner, making a big fuss of them opening presents from his family (even if he doesn't have the £ to buy them presents himself) and keeping them occupied with board games and a Christmas film for the afternoon. I don't want contact with their dad to turn into a competition of who can put on the fanciest entertainment for her to choose from.

If it emerges over the next 12 days that he's not capable of the above this year, the DC will spend the day with us.

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Acrossthemountains · 13/12/2024 23:19

Why don't you do xmas day with you, boxing Day with Dad?

justforthisnow · 13/12/2024 23:27

Based on what you've posted, the next 12 days will not change what sounds like 12 years of bad habits and shit behaviour from your ex. I certainly would not expect my children to endure one of the most family centred days of the year with a man who needs to be checked over for drunkenness/sobriety before dropping them off. Good on your daughter, she deserves a pleasant day and if she is choosing a nicer day, then you'e done a good parenting job in teaching her that she matters and its ok for her to choose herself.

TinyMouseTheatre · 13/12/2024 23:39

I think you've explained the situation very well Op and I still wouldn't make a DD of mine go to a feckless addict just to appease him even if it was her DF.

She'll have 2 weeks off school and he's unemployed. She doesn't have to see him that day of she doesn't want to.

There will be plenty of other days during the Christmas holidays.

Copperoliverbear · 13/12/2024 23:43

I'd tell him she does want to go and I'd say to your son sister is not going are you or not.
Personally by the sounds of him I'd try to keep them away from him as much as possible.

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