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DC don't want to spend Christmas with XH

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RealHousewivesOfTaunton · 13/12/2024 22:18

My DC are 14 and 12. They've alternated spending Christmas between me and XH since we separated nearly 10 years ago. This is XH's year to have them and DD says she doesn't want to go. I don't know what to do for the best.

XH is a bit of a loose canon. He's had problems with alcohol, drugs and his mental health over the last few years. He's had a string of girlfriends, lives with them for a year or so until they get fed up and kick him out. He then sofa surfs with his own family members. He doesn't last long in jobs. He's just finished serving an 18-month driving ban for drug-driving and driving without insurance.

He's very secretive so we're constantly having to piece together the story. As far as we can tell, his latest girlfriend threw him out a couple of months ago and he's currently living on his own. He's also lost his job, was living on benefits for a few weeks but has just stopped receiving those as well. He has the DC for one day every other weekend (no overnights) but it's been a bit patchy recently. The DC usually like spending time with him.

DD says she wants to spend Christmas Day with us. XH hasn't given any indication of what he's planning so as far as she knows, they'll be spending the day in his flat with just him. All my family and MIL are spending the day at my brother's so it's understandable that she sees that as the better option.

If plans stay as they are, the DC will wake up at home, have breakfast and open presents with us before we take them to XH for 10-ish. We'll then collect them at 6. In my mind, it's not that big an ask for them to have Christmas dinner with their dad, open some presents and probably watch a film in the afternoon. If he's sinking back into a depressed car-crash of poverty and substance abuse then I won't be permitting contact. But if he's generally ok then would it be terrible to make her go?

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mindutopia · 14/12/2024 15:37

HPandthelastwish · 13/12/2024 22:41

At 12 I'd do what she says she's old enough to know her mind. Contact is to benefit her not him, and I wouldn't want to be spending my Christmas with a drunk, drug taking, loose cannon either.

Edited

Yes, this. This time is for her. I can see why she’d rather have a day visiting family rather than stuck in a bedsit while her dad drinks.

RandomMess · 14/12/2024 15:47

Your DC want to see their cousins they can see their Dad on another day.

If he has alienated his family to the extent he is own Christmas Day then that is his problem not theirs.

FictionalCharacter · 14/12/2024 16:11

Put your children first, respect their wishes (no court is making them go and neither should you) and don’t make them go.

It’s astonishing that this man abused you, and you got away from him, yet you want your kids to spend time with him against your will. She’d resent that and hold it against you, and quite rightly.

Plus you’re setting your daughter up to be weak and a people pleaser, by putting a terrible person’s wants above what’s best for her. On Christmas Day of all days. While you have a nice day somewhere else.

You clearly have a sense of obligation towards this man, and feel sorry for him, despite what he’s done. You really shouldn’t.

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Italiangreyhound · 14/12/2024 16:22

RealHousewivesOfTaunton

I am so sorry he abused you and is such an utter arse. I would allow your kids to spend a nice day with you and your family. He can see his kids when they want to see him. He has let them down, badly, and they should not be forced to spend time with a man who abused their mother. If he wonders why, you can explain it or your dd can, actions have consequences.

drspouse · 14/12/2024 17:17

So it sounds like his DM will be with you at your brother's?
Any chance you could take your DCs back to hers and he meets them all there?
So your DD gets a bit of time with her cousins and then some time with her dad?
If she likes spending days with her dad then she will hopefully bring away a good memory of this Christmas too.

phoenixbiscuits · 14/12/2024 17:33

I spent pretty much every Christmas with my mum and larger family (cousins of a similar age as well) and always did a second Christmas with my dad. My dad was never very keen on Christmas all that much. He was a good dad mostly (could have been better, but wasn't a drinker or unreliable etc)

If he'd spent years making a lovely dinner, making sure to do all the special magical touches for Santa, going out and taking them to see the Christmas lights and stuff like that around Christmas, it might be a bit unfair to take Christmas away from him. And you might ask your daughter to consider his feelings as Christmas matters so much to him. But if he does what amounts to regular weekend stuff with a roast dinner, themed TV and presents, what's the point of sacrificing a big family get-together that rarely happens?

RealHousewivesOfTaunton · 14/12/2024 20:56

MIL is my DH's mum, i.e. their step dad's mother.

I'm going to talk it through with the DC.

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RealHousewivesOfTaunton · 14/12/2024 20:57

Fraaances · 14/12/2024 14:54

If he wants to spend it at yours because he has nowhere to be and you do all the work then no fucking way.

There is no way on this earth that he will be invited to my family's Christmas get-together. I couldn't care less if he's alone at Christmas.

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TinyMouseTheatre · 14/12/2024 21:25

There is no way on this earth that he will be invited to my family's Christmas get-together. I couldn't care less if he's alone at Christmas.

I think that's your answer. If he's not welcome to spend Christmas with you then DD's wishes should be respected. She's allowed to choose too.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 14/12/2024 21:40

FloralCrown · 13/12/2024 23:02

She is dumping him for a better offer.

If he wants to see his kids he SHOULD be offering them something better than temporary housing, drunkenness and a lack of effort/care.

Your DD has better standards than you OP, let her make her own choice.

I agree.
If you feel sorry for them then make them go for an hour or two to do presents then come back to you.
Or would you consider inviting him for the meal (if safe for your own mental health- I wouldn't be able to do this!)
Will he make them a proper Xmas meal?

I also think if they're old enough to decide for themselves they're old enough to tell him them selves

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 14/12/2024 21:44

Sorry just seen update - totally understandable that you wouldn't spend Xmas day with someone who is abusive to you.
If my son gets to this age and wants to be with me over his dad he won't ever be forced by me to go.

TinyMouseTheatre · 14/12/2024 21:46

I also think if they're old enough to decide for themselves they're old enough to tell him them selves

No. That's a truly awful thing to do to her. There's a myriad of reasons why a young g girl shouldn't be forced to tell her DF why she doesn't want to spend Christmas Day with him and that's with a normal reasonable DF which this one clearly isn't.

Starlight7080 · 14/12/2024 21:54

You should do what they want . Not what you think is best for xh .
They are only kids for a few more years let them enjoy it how they want too .
Then when adults they can choose .
They could always see him boxing day

PTSDBarbiegirl · 14/12/2024 21:58

Ultimately it’s your job to ensure they are safe, physically & emotionally. If your ex has a history of substance abuse etc then speak to him about the reason the dc are uncomfortable at his. Don’t make them. Explain a meet up and activity during holidays at their age will be better.

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