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have you ever had your child in care temporarily?

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namechangedforsaturday · 06/04/2024 12:08

Long read, so if you don't like long reads, please don't read, rather than complain about a long read. Please be kind, I'm at the edge.

Name changed for this, as outing, but if you've ever had your child put into care temporarily, could you tell me how it went or give me some words of comfort?

I've just called social services and told them I don't think my child should be at home with me right now. I asked doctor for a referral to them about 2 months ago as reached the end of my rope and had spent a whole night unable to sleep and crying, at not being able to cope, but never heard anything back, and then I asked her school for help and they referred to Early Help, but they haven't done anything for me- just want to go through parenting strategies with me, when they truth is, I know how to parent by the book, my daughter doesn't respond to any of it and I'm struggling physically so can't meet her needs each day. Sorry, that was a long sentence!

I've been struggling with my health ever since she was born, but couldn't get anyone to listen or take me seriously. They always seem to imply that I just need to exercise more, or it's all in my head and caused by stress. I've seen three different physios, and the issue hasn't gotten any better, and despite diagnoses, I can't get any help or support with my needs, and when applying for a bus pass, the doctor even said to me 'You're too young to be disabled', and refused to sign the form for me. My physio emails me workouts to do, and when I tell her about issues I'm having, she just implies I'm not trying hard enough. Some days I literally cannot walk.

So yes, I am stressed, but the stress began when the physical disabilities began, and the stress is as a result of not being able to do the things I was able to do before. It's definitely not in my head. I had started to believe that maybe it was all in my head, and really did try with journaling and therapeutic techniques, to try and 'heal' these things away, but yesterday I was finally believed by a doctor, when I went into the walk in centre with arms which were going into spasms whenever I lifted them, or moved at certain angles. I'm okay with typing, because I'm sitting up straight and making sure I barely move my shoulders.

She said she could see my back muscles spasming as she touched in certain parts of my back, and gave me some anti-inflammatories and codeine. I haven't started them yet as I'm worried about being drowsy around my dd. She advised me to get a second opinion from a different rheumatologist. Rh diagnosed me previously with fibromyalgia and mild hypermobility spectrum disorder, and referred me to a terrible physio who just gave me bum clenches to do, but I believe I have EDS, or more than mild hypermobility, and that I'm deteriorating since giving birth, breastfeeding and solo parenting a very high needs, violent and angry young child who doesn't sleep very well. I don't dislocate (only once ages ago) or have stretchy skin, but my feet are constantly rolling over side ways and everything feels crazy loose, all over, and the physio exercises are making minimal differences. I had six months where I could barely swallow food, but docs just wanted me to have thyroid tests- all fine. It's sorted itself out now, but there are still times I choke for no reason.

I'm trying so hard to get better but my daughter is with me all the time, has massive meltdowns after school and refuses most of the time. She's 4. She won't eat any food I make for her and asks for chocolate all day constantly. I don't give in, she can have a little bit every day, or every other day but she's relentless and refuses to eat. I literally cannot meet her constant need for stimulation and try to get my health sorted. Let alone getting more and more into debt trying to meet our basic needs on UC, trying to fill in disability benefit forms, with no support, and feel as though I'm neglecting both of us. Last night, my spasms and arms were so bard that every time I rolled over, I woke myself up in agony and crying, and with my daughter attacking me violently when I refuse her chocolate, I can't defend myself at the moment, as I'm too weak.

I've tried every door and avenue, trying to parent her alone and keep her with me, but I don't think I can do it anymore, or my health will just get worse and worse.

I'm waiting on a call back from out of hours social services.

Btw, dd was referred for autism pathway by health visitor 18 months ago, but just had results of assessment back, and they've said no ASD as they did her observation in school where she masks, and school argued back with their observations of abnormalities and said 'it was unusual for her to act that way'. Which it isn't, so I don't know why they've said that, but I haven't the energy to fight back.

I feel like I need a few month of DD in care, so I can get my health sorted, chase up for second opinions and help, get out of my debts, get the ball rolling with disability benefits, and take control of my spiralling health and life, and home, which has become chaotic and dirty.

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MissHavershamReturns · 06/04/2024 19:02

Op do you have dla for dd? You don’t need a diagnosis to do this as it’s based on need and locally there should be a group the local authority can sign post you to who will help you fill it in.

MissHavershamReturns · 06/04/2024 19:02

On the EHCP there are charities that can help you apply for them. You don’t need a diagnosis. It would be worth calling the IPSEA helpline at

archiepakora · 06/04/2024 19:03

Pantaloons99 · 06/04/2024 16:37

My lovely OP. MY Heart breaks for you ♥️. The amount of gaslighting you have been subjected to is enough to send you over the edge. Firstly, I believe 100% you have EDS. I have it too. Gaslighting is rife! I knew you had EDS after reading the first few lines of your post. Because this is such a familiar story. It is almost textbook. And yes, you know better than these imbecile doctors I promise you.

And yes, I believe your child is also Autistic. Again you have been gaslit by the school. That's what they do. They did it to me. I had to pay for an assessment in the end. I lost my mind with it all.

The trauma from this is so real and cripples us. I don't like the tone of some replies on here. People who haven't lived this shit don't know they are born. Many of us wish we had cancer ffs, that's how hideous this combination of stresses can be with this awful condition plus being alone with a SEM child.

EDS is genetically linked to autism. I wonder if you feel you might yourself be autistic? I'm not trying to diagnose you and it isn't going to help right now but if you believe you are, then I believe 100% you are. It may explain some things. I imagine if you are you've been gaslit over that and told you have borderline personality disorder.

I can't answer your question regards foster care. But, I have some experience ref not wanting family members near your child. This may feel very hard to hear but how is your mum with your child? Is she relatively ok? Because right now this is your best option. I have been in a similar position and your only real choice for now is your mum and I think you should take it. Unless she is physically hurting your daughter. Often, in this situation, the GM wants to do a better job than they did with you. Are you able to say to her ' I would appreciate your help right now, can you do x number of nights a week for now? Could she do 3 nights a week for you? You will be feeling overwhelmed by your own experience with her as a mother but it doesn't always mean it will translate onto your daughter. I understand there is a huge price to pay for you in this situation. Having her on side for now, and helping you, even though she is probably a narcissist by sounds of it, may give you emotional space to just breathe and think about how to move forward with more care and support, even if going into care is your final decision in the end.

None of this is your fault.

do you think that helps? Like really?Blaming Op's mother? There is a poor child here who has no one ffs .

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Pantaloons99 · 06/04/2024 19:08

OP, I often phone Samaritans btw! I have lots of other health challenges and life has been hard. I think it's natural for many people to feel like they can't carry on. You're completely overwhelmed. You need a break or hands on help with your daughter. It doesn't mean you don't love her. It is just nice to have someone to cry on.

Ref autism diagnosis. You are right. They fobbed me off too. The school just blocked provision of info and some blamed my health. So for now, you can only say with absolute confidence: I know my daughter is Autistic yet as you are probably aware everyone is struggling to get a proper assessment and diagnosis in this climate '. You are right that you probably won't get anywhere with that right now. Once you have more support ( social worker/ adult social care) then you can look at it later. I was lucky in that father paid in the end. That was after gaslighting me for about a year over it 🤷‍♀️

It isn't helpful reading posts with a rather unsympathetic tone from other users on here quite frankly. You clearly have never been to the depths of despair. Of course OP is on her knees. As you would be dealing with all this. I don't think talking about care is anything she should feel bad about tbh.

OP, I access medicinal cannabis oil ( legally prescribed) via Curaleaf. You have to pay sadly. You can do it all online. It helps many with chronic pain, it can help sleep and relaxation. It can help some with anxiety. It might not be for you but maybe something to consider at some point.

C0NFUSED244 · 06/04/2024 19:11

Could you try speaking to your local citizen's advice and just see what they can do - they can help apply for PIP at least and check what else you can get

archiepakora · 06/04/2024 19:11

To all the people on here telling OP she will get carers coming in for herself to help her with her illness. Well has she actually got a diagnosis of an illness ? Please stop telling people about services that our already very stressed and cut social work department cannot do and will not do. It will not do house work for people who can do housework , who have parenting ability , they do not show people how to be parents by staying in their homes with them. This will not happen. They don't take kids to school. They don't take children for a few months . Enough !

Pantaloons99 · 06/04/2024 19:12

archiepakora · 06/04/2024 19:03

do you think that helps? Like really?Blaming Op's mother? There is a poor child here who has no one ffs .

I'm not sure where in that post I blame OPs mother? I actually feel I've been very charitable under the circumstances.

My heart breaks for OP and her daughter. The priority for me here is OP

Pantaloons99 · 06/04/2024 19:14

archiepakora · 06/04/2024 19:11

To all the people on here telling OP she will get carers coming in for herself to help her with her illness. Well has she actually got a diagnosis of an illness ? Please stop telling people about services that our already very stressed and cut social work department cannot do and will not do. It will not do house work for people who can do housework , who have parenting ability , they do not show people how to be parents by staying in their homes with them. This will not happen. They don't take kids to school. They don't take children for a few months . Enough !

My experience is very valid. I absolutely did access funding and I used it to pay for exactly that. This was approximately 5 years ago. There absolutely is funding there but how easy it now is I don't know.

I think you should jump off this thread dear because you sound triggered to high hell

archiepakora · 06/04/2024 19:16

@Pantaloons99 my priority is the wee girl, her daughter ffs

archiepakora · 06/04/2024 19:18

@Pantaloons99 I think you will find 5 years is a long time in social work funding and I'm off . I work it every day and do my best. Will leave to you, "experts".

Pantaloons99 · 06/04/2024 19:22

archiepakora · 06/04/2024 19:16

@Pantaloons99 my priority is the wee girl, her daughter ffs

Do you know how you help this little girl? Let me tell you. You support the mum. You validate her suffering. You use your experience to help her. I think I'm in a good position to share my experience as we have very similar situations.

One thing I do agree with is a smoking, even wine drinking mum is better ( within reason) than care. But there is more here than just fags. I myself had to accept fags, drinking etc with one family member! But I knew there was alot of love there, even tho narcissism was also in the mix. OP really has strong feelings and they need to be respected. She knows best here.

Please jump off this thread now. You will not help this poor lady who is incredibly vulnerable right now.

An ok mum equates to an ok child. It is not the other way round.

archiepakora · 06/04/2024 19:24

I wont support her by telling her to put her child in care or unrealistic care packages . She needs to get her mum to look after her child . She doesnt have a diagnoses any kind ffs.

Pantaloons99 · 06/04/2024 19:34

archiepakora · 06/04/2024 19:24

I wont support her by telling her to put her child in care or unrealistic care packages . She needs to get her mum to look after her child . She doesnt have a diagnoses any kind ffs.

What you just did there is called gaslighting Archie.

All I see on here are people trying to help her not put her child in care.

These care packages may well be very difficult to access now so sadly you may be correct regards what can realistically be accessed.

Vettrianofan · 06/04/2024 19:47

Can you apply for DLA? Sounds like you are more than entitled to it. You are going through the mill right now and need plenty support. I think you could do with an advocate.

Pantaloons99 · 06/04/2024 19:47

archiepakora · 06/04/2024 19:18

@Pantaloons99 I think you will find 5 years is a long time in social work funding and I'm off . I work it every day and do my best. Will leave to you, "experts".

Yes you may be right regards 5 years sadly.
God help us all if you represent the typical social worker.
Go grab a wine and take a bath love.

Shiningout · 06/04/2024 19:47

Op if you can't function or get off the sofa all day because of your illness surely you will be eligible for Pip payments, and this could help with a cleaner, someone to help with childcare etc?

You can't just put your child in care for a few months then go back to normal, and even if this was an option what is going to change in 4 months to make you be able to cope with parenting her? Surely you'll end up back in the same situation situation that you're in now.

Regarding takeaways, you're spending so much money on that when it could be used for help for you both, ready meals are easy and cheaper to buy, are you not able to stick a potato in the microwave with a tin of beans or things from the freezer?

I'm not meaning this to devalue what you're saying as you're clearly in an awful situation, but your daughter needs you to try everything you can, going into care could change her life forever and not in a good way.

Kitkat1523 · 06/04/2024 19:57

namechangedforsaturday · 06/04/2024 16:25

What support would they put in at home? Would they get someone round to chop veg for me when my hands aren't working properly? When I can't cook because I can't lift the pan of water properly onto the stove? I don't think anyone in the system is really taking my medical issues on board properly. It's no life for a little girl. She's four and on computer games constantly because I can't do anything with her and living on take away which I put on a credit card now.

Thank you for your kindness though.

They wouldn’t put support in….they will support you to support yourself…to get mentally stringer

Kitkat1523 · 06/04/2024 19:59

Pantaloons99 · 06/04/2024 19:14

My experience is very valid. I absolutely did access funding and I used it to pay for exactly that. This was approximately 5 years ago. There absolutely is funding there but how easy it now is I don't know.

I think you should jump off this thread dear because you sound triggered to high hell

No way will carers be provided….ridiculous! Obviously you don’t work in children’s social care 🙄

Pantaloons99 · 06/04/2024 20:05

Kitkat1523 · 06/04/2024 19:59

No way will carers be provided….ridiculous! Obviously you don’t work in children’s social care 🙄

I think it's important to state that I'm sharing my very real experience wherein a budget especially for help for me as a parent was provided by adult social care. I absolutely did employ my own help and she did loads. All I did was provide the receipts to adult social care. Do you think I just came on here to make this all up for fun?

5 years later, goodness knows what the system is like. I imagine based on your post and Archie's, accessing a budget like this via Adult Social Care is less likely now. I 100%, in OPs position, would enquire. That is just common sense.

Maybe you should join Archie in grabbing that glass of wine. You sound like you'd get on really well 😬

Starlight7080 · 06/04/2024 20:06

I hope some of the places you have contacted reach out and offer some practical help.
Pip does sound like a good option to help with money .
Maybe your dd is having a lot of trouble processing her home life ( not a criticism of you) but for a 4 year old to already be saying that she worries about you dieing. Then she is obviously traumatised already. This may account for alot of her behaviour

Kitkat1523 · 06/04/2024 20:13

Pantaloons99 · 06/04/2024 20:05

I think it's important to state that I'm sharing my very real experience wherein a budget especially for help for me as a parent was provided by adult social care. I absolutely did employ my own help and she did loads. All I did was provide the receipts to adult social care. Do you think I just came on here to make this all up for fun?

5 years later, goodness knows what the system is like. I imagine based on your post and Archie's, accessing a budget like this via Adult Social Care is less likely now. I 100%, in OPs position, would enquire. That is just common sense.

Maybe you should join Archie in grabbing that glass of wine. You sound like you'd get on really well 😬

🙄

Pantaloons99 · 06/04/2024 20:14

Starlight7080 · 06/04/2024 20:06

I hope some of the places you have contacted reach out and offer some practical help.
Pip does sound like a good option to help with money .
Maybe your dd is having a lot of trouble processing her home life ( not a criticism of you) but for a 4 year old to already be saying that she worries about you dieing. Then she is obviously traumatised already. This may account for alot of her behaviour

It will exacerbate the behaviour most likely, not cause it. If OP believes she is Autistic, then she most likely is. Excessive fears like death are very common in autistic children as many mums on our support groups attest to. Please stop making OP feel worse.

OP, if you are a member of support groups on FB then you will get support and validation there. EDS groups on FB. Autistic parents groups are also really helpful. I think you will find all the sense and support and validation you need there much more than on here. There is also a wealth of expertise and experience on there. Many mum's will know about the financial support available now as opposed to my example from 5 years ago.

I really hear you and everything you say.

Starlight7080 · 06/04/2024 20:19

Pantaloons99 · 06/04/2024 20:14

It will exacerbate the behaviour most likely, not cause it. If OP believes she is Autistic, then she most likely is. Excessive fears like death are very common in autistic children as many mums on our support groups attest to. Please stop making OP feel worse.

OP, if you are a member of support groups on FB then you will get support and validation there. EDS groups on FB. Autistic parents groups are also really helpful. I think you will find all the sense and support and validation you need there much more than on here. There is also a wealth of expertise and experience on there. Many mum's will know about the financial support available now as opposed to my example from 5 years ago.

I really hear you and everything you say.

That is not how autism works . Otherwise why would we need experts for the diagnosis. You can't just decide someone is autistic.
And I am a mum of a asd child who is non verbal and needs full time care and always will. So please get off your High horse. I don't care how many fb groups you are in 😂 .

cerisepanther73 · 06/04/2024 20:32

@C0NFUSED244

I wonder with your help issues you could just apply for PIP benefit financiall support with a support worker from a charity or via citizens advice bureau agency support?

And that PIP money used for yourself and daughter to benefit both of you,

Such as finding out in your circumstances finding out about having childcare you pay for such as childminders support with social services registered list recommend ones..

Also look into social prescribing through self referral through your doctor ,

which means you will look at your health issues in a more Holistic way and sign post to relevant recommended local supportive agencies charties in different ways out there, and online beneficial support such as chair yoga for people with mobility sessions and

I have been doing this myself and enjoying myself too,
i am entitled to cheaper rates use of all leisure facilities at a cheaper rate, even a few sessions there for free,
where i am and physiotherapy type sessions and plenty of interesting beneficial stuff to do and see healthwise emotionally and physically..
I have Rumertoid and OestoAthritis...

DragonFly98 · 06/04/2024 20:38

You don't understand trauma it's is far better for your child to be with you despite your health issues than to be in care.