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My 5yo was left alone outside the school

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EezyOozy · 05/12/2023 11:46

Hi,

I’m going for a meeting with the headteacher of my daughters school later on today and wanted to be prepared. I have already written complaint via email which has triggered this meeting.

Last Friday. We had quite severe snow and ice and I couldn’t get my car out of my property for a few minutes… Long story short I was a few minutes late for pick up. I am never normally late, I don’t think I have ever been late before … need to make that very clear! This was a one off due to extreme weather.

When I arrived at the school, my five-year-old was standing outside on the pavement by herself, crying. There were other people around, but nobody that really knows my daughter, and certainly nobody had noticed her standing there, everybody was just leaving.

There is a different teacher on a Friday to who is there from the rest of the week.

It appears this teacher had led the children down the steps and out of the school, not bothered to check who had an adult there to collect them, and who didn’t.

She then went back up the steps, through the gate, through another gate, back into the playground towards the classroom (round the corner, and behind a wall), which is where I eventually found her standing chatting.

she hadn’t gone completely back into the classroom, but she may as well have done.

She was completely out of my daughters sight and through a gate that cannot be opened by a child from the other side. And was also behind a wall/around the corner.

nothing that bad happened, apart from my daughter, being quite shaken and upset… but it could have done. I did try and phone the office when I realised I was going to be slightly late, but nobody answered. What if I had been 20 minutes late, or had an accident and not turned up at all… these things happen. Not to mention the extreme weather and ice… What if my daughter had tried to walk home by herself or wondered off somewhere else.

My main issues are that the teacher did not check whether or not a parent or guardian was there to collect each child. And simply left her on the pavement outside of the school! The second issue is that she then removed herself … completely out of sight and earshot , and had no idea that my daughter was standing there… Surely they should wait close by?

I’m wondering what to say to the head and how seriously this should be taken.

Do I have a right to ask for the schools, written policies about pick up procedure / what should happen if a child is not collected on time?

I’m worried I’m going to be palmed off , but I simply don’t trust this teacher at all anymore! When I confronted the teacher she just said “oh sorry… I didn’t realise!”

yes of course you didn’t realise… You didn’t do any checks or bother supervise the children properly, so how could you possibly have realised!

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SecondUsername4me · 05/12/2023 17:34

Who was the teacher speaking to when you approached her on the day and say "oh sorry I didn't realise"? If another staff member then the head needs to ask them for their account.

eish · 05/12/2023 17:37

I am glad the head has taken this seriously. As a fellow professional I am outraged. The worst bit is that following her mistake she was neither horrified or particularly apologetic and then proceeded to lie. If I had made that mistake I would have gone straight to the headteacher. I believe this has a a serious breech of conduct and would expect a full investigation and at the least a written warning, probably more.

I agree with other posters, are there any other parents who can back up your account? Or the person she (the teacher) was speaking to when you found her. You should write a statement / timeline of what happened and who may have witnessed it so you are clear events. ----

wishuponastar1988 · 05/12/2023 18:14

I'd be furious if this was my DD. I would expect that a child of that age (and older) would be handed to an adult at the end of the day, not left outside near the road! Absolutely horrendous on behalf of the school!

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Nazzywish · 05/12/2023 18:56

Take this all the way OP. I was going to say maybe she can learn from her mistakes etc but my god she blatantly lied to cover herself- go get her now with everything you got re LA , capability/ gross misconduct whatever the school or LA can do- because she clearly doesn't give a shit and only wants to cover her back.

Bippitybobbityboing · 05/12/2023 18:56

This happened in my dc's school a few years ago, a five year old child let out alone except that he tried to walk home and was found a mile away from the school by a grandparent...wandering around lost and crying.

In that case, there was a very public change in the school policies, the biggest change being that only the child's regular teacher or a member of SLT could discharge a class (is was a supply who let him out)
Also, the head stands at the gate and says goodbye to every child every day to ensure that none slip through.

You are absolutely right to be angry OP but I'd suggest you have a careful think about what changes you want to see implemented to help you and dd to feel safe again.
Go into the meeting calm, well informed and determined and you could effect change that will prevent something worse happening in the future.

EezyOozy · 05/12/2023 20:15

Thank you all so much for your support. I am not sure i would have been able to navigate this so confidently and clearly without advice on here. I’m sorry if I have forgotten to reply to anyone - I will try and look through and check for anything I have missed.

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PuttingDownRoots · 05/12/2023 20:25

A couple of five year olds "escaped" from our school last year (they actually dug under a fence, hidden by a bush) and the school had to report themselves to Ofsted and the Council plus informed all the parents immediately. (Plus improved their security!). The alarm went up in seconds of the escape.

I was impressed with our schools response... hopefully yours will be proactive too.

CwmYoy · 05/12/2023 22:00

I'm so glad you are being taken seriously. But please make sure your DD knows what to do if it happens again.

pumpkintart · 05/12/2023 22:04

Ofstes, governors, head teacher not necessarily in that order and if I wasn't happy I would change schools

PaperDoIIs · 05/12/2023 22:13

The headteacher's response is the appropriate way to deal with this. We had a similar incident at DD's school , where a child walked off with a crowd rather than handed to a parent. Changes in policies and procedures were made that night.

I find the teacher's reaction very concerning though.

Invisimamma · 05/12/2023 22:43

pumpkintart · 05/12/2023 22:04

Ofstes, governors, head teacher not necessarily in that order and if I wasn't happy I would change schools

None of this applies in Scotland, we don't have Ofsted or governors, it's Education Scotland and the Local Authority. It sounds like the head teacher is handling it appropriately though.

We also catch just 'change schools' as children attend their catchment primary school or catchment Catholic school. Otherwise it's an out of catchment placing request, which is not guaranteed.

BlochAroundTheClock · 06/12/2023 07:43

It does sound like the teacher has sealed her own fate with her response, which I wouldn't be losing sleep over 🤷‍♀️🖐️ And the head's response sounds promising too, hopefully the policies will be quickly reviewed and beefed up enough to help rebuild your trust. I agree with a pp, when all has calmed a bit, use the opportunity to gently remind DC of what to do if she is ever separated from the adults again, at school/on trips, or losing you at the shops/beach/park etc. All the best OP.

EezyOozy · 06/12/2023 09:15

As far as I am aware this teacher is still rostered to teach on Friday this week. Given the safeguarding breach and subsequent dishonesty, as well as investigations pending, I am not sure I want her looking after my child. Fri is a half day. WIBU to keep DD home (obviously informing the school of my reasons etc) until this is resolved ? She loves school so it would be a shame but I feel very uneasy about sending her in to this teacher , particularly in light of the dishonesty.

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MabelMaybe · 06/12/2023 10:22

@EezyOozy I'd still send her in, but ask the head teacher for assurances of how she will be handed over. i'd expect the head or SLT to be involved in some way.

Like a poster further up, our head stands by the gates at home time. I hadn't twigged that it stopped children leaving alone, but it would be good practice to suggest to your head if they're not already present at home time. I'd expect them to be after this, though.

SirChenjins · 06/12/2023 10:47

I would send her in but highlight to the school that your trust in this teacher has completely gone and that you’re sending your DD reluctantly. I would also ask how the school will manage your DD’s handover this week to ensure the same thing doesn’t happen again.

Ostryga · 06/12/2023 11:56

I would send her in, no point her missing out on fun Xmas stuff they’re probably doing. But I would want a plan of action from the head prior to Friday.

ApricotLime · 06/12/2023 12:09

I think your daughter would be safe to attend on Friday but I wouldn't be surprised if the teacher isn't there. If she'd been truthful they'd probably have tightened procedures and retrained her, but the lying is another matter.

sheselectric24 · 06/12/2023 15:02

This happened to us. My child was actually left for over 30 minutes and was found by a member of the public near the woods. I was at work and non the wiser as she was supposed to be in after school club. This was the second incident as she also went missing on school grounds for over an hour at lunchtime and was found stuck in a classroom where she had been since an hour earlier. She was only 4 at the time. No one noticed her missing either time and all I got was a phone call after I had raised it.

Well I created merry hell. My dc are adopted (not that it's ok if they are not) and is was a hugely serious incident and at first school just did not get it.

Anyway after a formal complaint I wanted assurances that they had done everything they can to ensure it never ever happens again. I have younger dc now going through the school so was livid and lost trust. Anyway, there is now teachers including SLTs stationed at every school exist both morning and after school and they don't go inside until every last child has gone. The head or deputy then do a sweep of the grounds before they go inside. All younger dc have to be handed over and are held inside a fenced yard until the class teacher sees their adult and they have a list every morning where they write the arrangements for each child. You need a password and phone call or email if an unknown adult is collecting and they even check if the child knows the adult by asking who's that.
Older dc have to have permission to be released to walk home.

I found out this had happened to another child as well as mine so I think the school implemented all this after realising they were failing in this area.

rtab89 · 06/12/2023 15:10

In our Reception class, children stay seated on the carpet area and collecting grown ups gather in the playground outside the door. One school adult stands at the door and calls the children by name one at a time to hand them over. They are far too little to be allowed to roam to find grown ups and IMHO shouldn't be doing handover off the school premises at all.

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 06/12/2023 20:29

Would it be possible for you to ask the school (Head?) before Friday about whether this teacher is going to be there this week, and if so, how the school intends to handle the situation? If you don't like the answers, at that point keep your daughter off school, giving the reason why and asking that they implement a proper solution as soon as possible?

EezyOozy · 07/12/2023 09:54

Thanks @Jaichangecentfoisdenom I have asked but no response … all gone quiet. Probably things happening internally.

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whynotwhatknot · 07/12/2023 13:16

disgusting that the teacher is outright lying-she sould be suspended at least

EezyOozy · 07/12/2023 13:45

Still not heard back from school since my face to face meeting with head . Don’t think I will be sending my daughter in as have no information!

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BlochAroundTheClock · 07/12/2023 14:12

Can you call the office and ask that the head calls you before the end of today to discuss, and explain to the office that as it stands you can't send her in tomorrow? Might shift em?

Superscientist · 07/12/2023 14:42

Do you have to go in at pick up today to press for an answer about your concerns for tomorrow.

Rather than her missing a full day could you ask to pick her up half an hour early if there isn't adequate steps put in place.