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My 5yo was left alone outside the school

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EezyOozy · 05/12/2023 11:46

Hi,

I’m going for a meeting with the headteacher of my daughters school later on today and wanted to be prepared. I have already written complaint via email which has triggered this meeting.

Last Friday. We had quite severe snow and ice and I couldn’t get my car out of my property for a few minutes… Long story short I was a few minutes late for pick up. I am never normally late, I don’t think I have ever been late before … need to make that very clear! This was a one off due to extreme weather.

When I arrived at the school, my five-year-old was standing outside on the pavement by herself, crying. There were other people around, but nobody that really knows my daughter, and certainly nobody had noticed her standing there, everybody was just leaving.

There is a different teacher on a Friday to who is there from the rest of the week.

It appears this teacher had led the children down the steps and out of the school, not bothered to check who had an adult there to collect them, and who didn’t.

She then went back up the steps, through the gate, through another gate, back into the playground towards the classroom (round the corner, and behind a wall), which is where I eventually found her standing chatting.

she hadn’t gone completely back into the classroom, but she may as well have done.

She was completely out of my daughters sight and through a gate that cannot be opened by a child from the other side. And was also behind a wall/around the corner.

nothing that bad happened, apart from my daughter, being quite shaken and upset… but it could have done. I did try and phone the office when I realised I was going to be slightly late, but nobody answered. What if I had been 20 minutes late, or had an accident and not turned up at all… these things happen. Not to mention the extreme weather and ice… What if my daughter had tried to walk home by herself or wondered off somewhere else.

My main issues are that the teacher did not check whether or not a parent or guardian was there to collect each child. And simply left her on the pavement outside of the school! The second issue is that she then removed herself … completely out of sight and earshot , and had no idea that my daughter was standing there… Surely they should wait close by?

I’m wondering what to say to the head and how seriously this should be taken.

Do I have a right to ask for the schools, written policies about pick up procedure / what should happen if a child is not collected on time?

I’m worried I’m going to be palmed off , but I simply don’t trust this teacher at all anymore! When I confronted the teacher she just said “oh sorry… I didn’t realise!”

yes of course you didn’t realise… You didn’t do any checks or bother supervise the children properly, so how could you possibly have realised!

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ConsistentlyElectrifiedElves · 05/12/2023 13:38

I'm horrified for you OP. I hope the school are taking it seriously.

I checked a couple of school websites in my old town in Scotland and couldn't find a policy on some of the websites and on one I was still a little surprised.

"All classes are to be escorted out of the building. Primary 1, 2 and 3 class teachers wait with their children until a parent/carer or known adult collects them. Primary 4, 5, 6 and 7 classes are dismissed at the doorway as a whole."

If OP's DD's school has a similar policy then there's absolutely no way that the teacher should have wandered off out of sight of the children at all.

I am a little surprised that 4 years' worth of classes are just seen to the door and waved off! My nephew's (English) school only allows Y5/6 (so 9-11 year olds) to walk home on their own and have to have permission and notes of which days they're allowed to do so. The thought of a 7 year old being dismissed at the door is quite worrying to me!

Sirzy · 05/12/2023 13:39

That should be a major issue for the school.

i run after school club in a school, any child - other than those in years 5 and 6 who have signed permission to walk home - who isn’t collected within 10 minutes come into ASC until they are collected or teacher has managed to get hold of parents to find out if there is a problem.

SecondUsername4me · 05/12/2023 13:39

It's a massive fuck up.

Do they use CPOMS or other safeguarding logs? They should be logging it there and I'd imagine, reporting it to the governors and DFE.

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Lejuge28 · 05/12/2023 13:39

I am in Scotland, at our school, teachers had class line up from P1 - P3 and kids could only leave once they had confirmed someone was there to pick up child. If parent was late, kid would be taken back into school to wait at office whilst the office staff contacted parent.

EezyOozy · 05/12/2023 13:41

I forgot to update about the policy – there is a link on the school website, but it is broken! I have emailed the school office a couple of hours ago, asking for any safeguarding / pick up related policies and have not heard back yet

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EezyOozy · 05/12/2023 13:42

@SecondUsername4me I will add this to my list of things to ask thank you

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TryAgainWithFeeling · 05/12/2023 13:47

Actually I think your daughter’s actions show how serious this was. She did try to find a teacher to tell, and she couldn’t find one. That demonstrates further how inappropriate this action was.

Take it one step at a time OP. Get the existing policy. Meet the Head. Then probably you’ll have to escalate the complaint but you can do that afterwards.

If it were me I would probably write on a piece of paper:

  • what is the policy, I want a copy of it
  • how was this allowed to happen
  • what action will be taken, will this be officially logged and reported to the governors?
  • what is being put in place to stop it happening again?
and let the head see you making notes under each heading.
DragonFly98 · 05/12/2023 13:49

ConsistentlyElectrifiedElves · 05/12/2023 13:38

I'm horrified for you OP. I hope the school are taking it seriously.

I checked a couple of school websites in my old town in Scotland and couldn't find a policy on some of the websites and on one I was still a little surprised.

"All classes are to be escorted out of the building. Primary 1, 2 and 3 class teachers wait with their children until a parent/carer or known adult collects them. Primary 4, 5, 6 and 7 classes are dismissed at the doorway as a whole."

If OP's DD's school has a similar policy then there's absolutely no way that the teacher should have wandered off out of sight of the children at all.

I am a little surprised that 4 years' worth of classes are just seen to the door and waved off! My nephew's (English) school only allows Y5/6 (so 9-11 year olds) to walk home on their own and have to have permission and notes of which days they're allowed to do so. The thought of a 7 year old being dismissed at the door is quite worrying to me!

Really? All my local English schools just let the juniors leave themselves. Baring SEN that's age appropriate. My eldest walked a mile home from school on her own age 8. At 7 I picked her up from outside the school gate.

EezyOozy · 05/12/2023 13:52

@TryAgainWithFeeling that’s very helpful and clear thank you

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Singleandproud · 05/12/2023 13:54

That's insane and a massive failing. I never normally did the school run and wasn't allowed to pick Dd up once as the teacher didn't recognize me (hadn't had parents evening yet) so instead of hoping for the best took DD to the office where the staff knew me and we did hand over that way. They absolutely wouldn't have allowed a child to leave on their own without the child pointing to the grown up picking them up and teacher making eye contact before letting them loose across the playground

SteveBuscemisRheumyEye · 05/12/2023 13:56

Bloody hell, OP! Its not even the threat of abduction, but the fact that she could have wondered off to try and find you and got lost in the ice and snow. Whilst abduction is less likely, getting lost in such weather would have had very serious consequences and was actually relatively likely to happen. Poor wee mite, and poor you. I hope they get the seriousness of this.

scoobydoo1971 · 05/12/2023 13:58

Regardless of the outcome of any teacher meeting, it is very important that you file a letter of complaint with the Governors or management team for the school. While there was no long standing harm done to your child, it is ridiculous to leave a young child unattended in those circumstances. I would be outraged. Please do this so teachers get training. In other cases, a child might be under a court order for safeguarding, or a parent/ care-giver maybe banned from unsupervised contact due to social services intervention. It has been known for convicted paedophiles to loiter near school gates. There are lots of reasons why primary school age children should only be sent off with staff having seen the right person collecting.

MadeForThis · 05/12/2023 13:59

The list of things that could have went wrong is frightening.

The teachers disinterested is alarming.

MerryMarigold · 05/12/2023 14:04

DragonFly98 · 05/12/2023 13:49

Really? All my local English schools just let the juniors leave themselves. Baring SEN that's age appropriate. My eldest walked a mile home from school on her own age 8. At 7 I picked her up from outside the school gate.

Where are you in England? In our area it's only Y6 and with written permission. When my son was in Y5 I was considering how I would fetch my Y2 children from another school as he was not allowed to walk home alone. Luckily my younger kids got given a space at the same school as him.

EezyOozy · 05/12/2023 14:11

Still don’t have policies but have found the school handbook which clearly states that children must be collected from inside the playground. So I will be asking why my child was left on the street.

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spiderlight · 05/12/2023 14:17

What @TryAgainWithFeeling said, except that I would be taking it to the governors myself. I would be raging, but I think icy calm is the way to go in the meeting. It doesn't bear thinking about - thank goodness she waited where she was. It's a shame that none of the other parents spotted her crying as well, bless her.

Cornishclio · 05/12/2023 14:20

That wouldn't happen at my grandchildren's school as the teachers always keep the children by them until a known adult collects them. We are England though. Ask to see the school policy on safeguarding.

EezyOozy · 05/12/2023 14:21

So we don’t have a board of governors … it’s the parent council. Should I raise with them as well as the LA?

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Lilithlogic · 05/12/2023 14:23

Sorry I'm a little confused, you said she was left crying and then she was chatting with someone when you found her. How late where you?

LogicVoid · 05/12/2023 14:25

Lilithlogic · 05/12/2023 14:23

Sorry I'm a little confused, you said she was left crying and then she was chatting with someone when you found her. How late where you?

I believe she meant she found the teacher chatting...

thebestinterest · 05/12/2023 14:27

Common sense would tell me that I can’t leave a 5yr unsupervised. Common sense would also tell me that I should wait to verify every child has been handed over to their caregiver. What a bone head teacher. She should loose her job and get a job at a bar.

Tdcp · 05/12/2023 14:27

Lilithlogic · 05/12/2023 14:23

Sorry I'm a little confused, you said she was left crying and then she was chatting with someone when you found her. How late where you?

She found her daughter crying on the street and then found the teacher chatting inside the school grounds.

Lilithlogic · 05/12/2023 14:28

LogicVoid · 05/12/2023 14:25

I believe she meant she found the teacher chatting...

Yep just reread it, I'm a dopey mare sometimes.

thebestinterest · 05/12/2023 14:29

BlochAroundTheClock · 05/12/2023 13:05

People do make mistakes, yes. But teachers can't be allowed to make 'leave a 5 year old alone on the street' kind of mistakes.

This. She has one job at pickup. ONE.

Lilithlogic · 05/12/2023 14:29

Tdcp · 05/12/2023 14:27

She found her daughter crying on the street and then found the teacher chatting inside the school grounds.

My last braincell left the building for a moment.