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I'm a paediatric speech and language therapist... AMA!

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SpeechandLanguageTherapist · 28/01/2023 18:30

12 years NHS experience working with children aged 18 months to 18 years.

Acutely aware that actually being able to speak to an NHS therapist these days is getting harder and harder.

Happy to answer anything I feel able to - I've worked with most areas of need over the years, but if not in my remit I'll say I'm not sure 😊 Maybe someone else who has more experience will be able to answer instead.

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Mummatobefeb2022 · 29/01/2023 09:44

SpeechandLanguageTherapist · 28/01/2023 18:30

12 years NHS experience working with children aged 18 months to 18 years.

Acutely aware that actually being able to speak to an NHS therapist these days is getting harder and harder.

Happy to answer anything I feel able to - I've worked with most areas of need over the years, but if not in my remit I'll say I'm not sure 😊 Maybe someone else who has more experience will be able to answer instead.

Sorry couldn't reply to your reply to me for some reason, just wanted to say thanks for answering my question!

SpeechandLanguageTherapist · 29/01/2023 09:46

stevieknits · 28/01/2023 21:06

My just turned 4 year old is severely speech delayed and has been on the NHS waiting list for almost 2 years. He is almost entirely non verbal. We have yet to be seen at all, not even for an initial assessment. The GP has so far refused to refer him to a paediatrician as he doesn't tick any other boxes for asd. Preschool has also put in a referral which doesn't seem to have sped things up. Out of desperation we have seen a private therapist who suspects verbal dyspraxia, but private therapy is probably not going to be a long term option for us. What else can we be doing to access help?

I'm really sorry to hear the waiting list is so long in your area. That really is long, in my area it's about 3-4 months 😔 Sadly if it is verbal dyspraxia and it's this severe, he really just needs to see a therapist for a lot of specialist support. Is there any way you can afford some private input? Even if it's a session every 1-2 months with a programme you can implement?

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LBB2020 · 29/01/2023 10:05

My almost 2.5 year old says (and copies) a lot of single words and is now putting 2-3 words together correctly in context but he also still babbles a fair bit. It’s more when he’s excited or when we’re out at toddler groups etc, is this something he should have stopped by now and should I be worried?
His understanding is very good and he can follow simple instructions so I have no concerns about his hearing

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Gagagardener · 29/01/2023 14:35

@SpeechandLanguageTherapist
Very many thanks for taking the time to come on here, and to answer our individual questions. I know I appreciated that, and I'm sure everyone else does too.

iloveyankeecandle · 29/01/2023 14:58

My 22 month old has about 50 single words that he uses. Will also put together some three word sentences but seem to be the same repeated. Very rarely seems to be adding to his vocab. He doesn't always finish whole words. Say "chee" for cheese. He grunts and points mostly instead of talking. Should j be worried?

SpeechandLanguageTherapist · 29/01/2023 15:34

Emotionalds · 28/01/2023 21:06

Re @Hunkyd0ry - my little boy just turned 4 and did this for a few months a while back at 3, and has just started again. We googled and saw to treat it like a regular stammer, give him time to finish his sentence and ignore it's an issue, not to help etc. Is it a problem that it's come back @SpeechandLanguageTherapist ? He did see nhs speech and language at age 2 and passed a hearing test then too, he was just a late starter. He was already under the dysphagia team for eating difficulties - no physical (no allergy or reflux anyway) problem detected in the end.

If he's stammering again after it resolving then I'd seek a speech and language referral, especially if overall it's been going on longer than 6 months.

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SpeechandLanguageTherapist · 29/01/2023 15:37

Walterwhiteswifey · 28/01/2023 21:08

Do you ever meet some children who just won't ever talk? My child can't talk yet and is primary age. We are trying to remain positive but don't know if it will ever happen 😔

Yes some adults will never communicate verbally I'm afraid. That's not to say your child won't. It really depends on the nature of their difficulties. However not being able to communicate verbally isn't the same as not being able to communicate. Hopefully your child is under SaLT and exploring appropriate AAC options?

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SpeechandLanguageTherapist · 29/01/2023 15:40

120secondruleforchoconfloor · 28/01/2023 21:12

If a tongue tie is causing speech problems what sounds would you expect them to struggle with?

I know my son has a tongue tie and he's delayed in his speech (been referred with a 30 week wait) but I can't get a straight answer out of anyone as to what I should be looking out for in terms of determining weather his delay is to do with his tongue tie.

Thank you so much in advance!! 💐💐💐

It's rare that a tongue tie is so severe that it interferes with speech but not eating. Usually a child with such a restrictive tongue tie would have had it severed as it would cause significant feeding issues. In my whole career I've never seen a child where their speech difficulties are caused by a tongue tie. But the sounds most likely to be affected would be t and d as the child wouldn't be able to reach their tongue up to the top of their mouth.

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Thatboymum · 29/01/2023 15:43

My ds5 was on the wait list from age 3 till now and after one visit signed off on the basis his speech will improve and generally come on if he has his tonsills and adenoids removed but I really don’t understand how having his tonsills etc removed will help him speak, can you please help me understand more

SpeechandLanguageTherapist · 29/01/2023 15:44

PearPickingPorky · 28/01/2023 21:13

My 6 year old lisps s as th, says th as f or v, L sounds a bit like w, and r also sounds a bit like w.

Are we now passed the point where we can correct this without him seeing an SLT?

All of the sounds you've listed are the last to develop in English, so your child is only very slightly delayed. There's still time for these to resolve spontaneously but you could seek private SaLT for them if you wanted. In my NHS service we wouldn't accept a referral for a child like this as the needs are so mild, but it depends on the area (big postcode lottery).

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SpeechandLanguageTherapist · 29/01/2023 15:46

skingraft · 28/01/2023 21:15

My area are still doing speech and language therapy on video call! They still haven’t returned to face-to-face since covid began.

The sessions feel a bit silly, they were trying to do a pop-up pirate game with my little boy over the video call and it just wasn’t right🙄

Is this the same where you are? Any idea why they’re so slow getting back to normal compared to everyone else?

Wow that's very slow. We only went virtual during the lockdowns and have been back to face to face since summer 2021, so almost 2 years now!

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justdone3 · 29/01/2023 16:00

I have a 4 year old with a severe speech delay. He does try to say a lot but his speech therapist says only 2 or 3 words can be understood out of context. In context it's slightly easier to understand him. He was non verbal pretty much until he was 2 1/2.
We've recently been told that he uses the back of his mouth to make his sounds and he is also making a noise before his speech.

Im basically wondering if there is a reason why? Like could it be a condition that is making him form his sounds like that or is it just something we will never know?

iloveyankeecandle · 29/01/2023 16:36

@freezingpompoms great question! Exactly the same experience with my two!

SpeechandLanguageTherapist · 29/01/2023 18:30

Fudgeandcaramel · 28/01/2023 21:37

My 7 year old has a mild lateral lisp (as did I at his age which resolved with speech therapy). I haven’t taken him to salt yet as was doing OT and I thought that was enough for the moment but he’s been discharged from them. I was going to see a SALT privately this year about it but now he’s started losing his front baby teeth. Just wondering whether to go for salt anyway or wait until the teeth situation has resolved somewhat. Thanks so much.

I know some therapists will start to work on lisps with front teeth missing, but personally I find it easier to work on when there are at least half teeth in place to help guide tongue position!

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SpeechandLanguageTherapist · 29/01/2023 18:34

noimaginationforausername · 28/01/2023 21:39

Hi, thanks for doing this.

My grandson has just turned 2 (last week) and all he says is Mama, Dada and no, I look after him 2 days a week and try to get him talking or at least trying but he won't even try. He has a lot to say but it's all babble!

His parents brush it off saying "oh he'll get there" but I'm not sure if he needs some intervention now or if he really will get there in his own time without help?

He starts nursery in July (2.5) so will they pick up on it and provide help?

Thanks again!

It's very hard to predict which late talkers will catch up by themselves and which won't. Personally I'd get the SaLT referral in as soon as possible. As some have said on here, it can be a long wait to be seen.

Try and reduce questions you're asking him as much as possible, especially test questions (like what is this, what noise does a dog make etc.) and instead comment on what you can see and what he's doing 😊

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MGMidget · 29/01/2023 18:40

Do speech therapists get involved in teaching written sounds/phonics for spellings as well as the spoken sounds? My daughter's speech problems have translated into misspellings as she has got older (now 7) as she will spell words in a way she mispronounces. Would this be something speech and language therapists would work on with a child?

Fudgeandcaramel · 29/01/2023 18:47

Thanks very much! I’ll wait then!

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 29/01/2023 18:57

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 28/01/2023 21:53

I'm a volunteer with Homestart. I'm working with a young family whose nearly 3 yr old hardly speaks, the only words I've ever heard him say are 'car' and 'yeah', he appears to understand everything that's said to him. I've signposted to SALT and so far they've only had 1 zoom call meeting. His nursery staff are doing 1 to 1 support with him too. I've not come across this level of speech delay before. My questions are can he 'catch up' or will this impede him throughout life? Is it an indication of anything else? His mum is lovely but seems to underestimate the problem.

Thanks for doing this you've answered so many questions but missed mine.
I'd be very grateful for your thoughts on the above

SpeechandLanguageTherapist · 29/01/2023 19:36

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 29/01/2023 18:57

Thanks for doing this you've answered so many questions but missed mine.
I'd be very grateful for your thoughts on the above

I haven't got to your question yet! I'm doing them in the order they were posted. I have children... I'm popping on here and answering a few whenever I get a minute.

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Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 29/01/2023 19:40

SpeechandLanguageTherapist · 29/01/2023 19:36

I haven't got to your question yet! I'm doing them in the order they were posted. I have children... I'm popping on here and answering a few whenever I get a minute.

I'm so sorry! Please accept my apology

SpeechandLanguageTherapist · 29/01/2023 19:44

Strawberrypicnic · 28/01/2023 21:46

Thanks OP - I am reading this with interest as have applied to start an MSc in speech and language therapy later this year (am early 30s, seeking a career change). I'd be really interested to know how you found the degree? The website for the course I have applied to describes it as intensive. Did you/would you have had time to work part-time on the side?

I found the 2-year masters very intense! It's the full degree condensed squeezed into less time, with barely any holidays (something like 2 weeks for Christmas and 3 weeks in the summer, but we had to study over those periods!) and it was a lot of work. I didn't have time to work part-time personally. Lectures were 9 to 4/5 every day, other than the days we were on placement. Then I spent my evenings and weekends writing essays and studying. It was worth it in the end because I love my job, but I have to be honest and say they were two of the moat stressful years of my life!

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SpeechandLanguageTherapist · 29/01/2023 19:48

justcouldntthinkofausername · 28/01/2023 21:52

I am a little concerned as my DS who is 22and half months is still not talking yet.

His first word was 'Daaa' which I know means dog

He says Dada (with context)
Mama (but just randomly whilst playing, and only started this in the last couple of weeks)

He loves numbers, letters and shapes - he understands them and can pick them out no problem, even when putting the flash cards in a mixed order he points them out right everyrime.

He can say ABCDE and also phonics of ABCDEFGHI, he also says Ade (which is number 8)

But this is literally all he 'says'?

His understanding is fine, takes instruction and will point at objects like door, floor, shoes etc if u ask him. I read to him often which he enjoys. He's just really behind with his speech and I'm worried.

Please could you advise 🙏🏻

This is a bit delayed but it's still very early days so try not to worry too much! As I've said a few times on this thread, lots of late talkers catch up by themselves. Great that his understanding is good.

Try to avoid things like flashcards or anything that tests language as much as possible. Just lots of commenting on what's going on around you, naming things and reading stories.

If still delayed at 2.5, that's probably the best time to start thinking about a referral.

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SpeechandLanguageTherapist · 29/01/2023 19:55

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 28/01/2023 21:53

I'm a volunteer with Homestart. I'm working with a young family whose nearly 3 yr old hardly speaks, the only words I've ever heard him say are 'car' and 'yeah', he appears to understand everything that's said to him. I've signposted to SALT and so far they've only had 1 zoom call meeting. His nursery staff are doing 1 to 1 support with him too. I've not come across this level of speech delay before. My questions are can he 'catch up' or will this impede him throughout life? Is it an indication of anything else? His mum is lovely but seems to underestimate the problem.

It's really hard to say without meeting a child and getting a good sense of their communication profile. Some children are just 'late talkers' and go on to catch up - we don't really know why this is. For others there is an underlying issue and it will be a more persistent problem. However by the time a child gets to 3.5 and certainly moving towards 4, it does become less likely they will just catch up by themselves without any intervention. It's a shame they haven't been seen face to face yet. Is your local NHS service still operating virtually?

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SpeechandLanguageTherapist · 29/01/2023 19:57

laptop3000 · 28/01/2023 21:53

Not sure if you know much about the feeding side but my 4.5 year old has dysphasia and is currently on level 1 thickener. We have dropped down from level 2 which he was on since diagnosis at 9 month old. When he was first diagnosed they said he would grow out of it by the times he's 3. Obviously he hasn't done, how common is it to not grow out of it and is there anything that can be done to improve it?

Sorry, I don't work with dysphagia and couldn't even begin to comment!

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laptop3000 · 29/01/2023 19:58

@SpeechandLanguageTherapist thanks for the reply anyway!