To not register child’s birth

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Disclaimer this is NOT something I have done/ would do or in fact even considered, but I saw on a parenting group that this is a thing, post got removed / muted relatively soonish or else I might’ve asked is this a ‘thing’ some people do or don’t do to be precise?

I know there are all sorts of decisions in life that we might not agree with each other on and stuff but I’m struggling to see what the driver is around this? whats the ‘harm’ or danger or [insert bad word here] around registering your child’s birth.

anyone come know? I can imagine it causing a lot of issues later in life? I mean how does that child go to school or get health care as they ‘don’t exist’?

Re birth certificates, I didn’t realise you can get two versions as a baby. The basic and main version.

Mine is the basic ( was cheaper back when), and it literally has my name, date, place of birth and signature. Nowhere does it actually have my parents names. I recently needed it in overseas country where we now live for Marriage and they were so confused. Dh version is twice the size and has parents names and occupations and address at the time on.

@Caspianberg you can buy a copy of your full birth certificate. In fact you can buy a copy of anyone's birth certificate.

I was sure you needed the full version for a passport application.

Yet, as I have discovered via various lines of work, they still claiming state benefits!

@Dinoteeth - yes I know. I was just surprised they even offered parents the super short version.
I haven’t ever needed the long version though, and have had passports, permanent resident visas, marriage certificate, own child
birth registration etc all with my dodgy tiny birth certificate with 0 details on it.

I think some people just don't trust the state. I can see why, it is a feeling I get at times, but I rationalise it away. Conspiracy theories are a lot more commonly believed these days, due to social media rabbot holes and the crazy times we are living in.

The NI number is a unique identifier. We knew our girls' NI numbers from a couple of weeks old because at the time they were born they got government trust funds. The NI number (not named as such) was on the paper work. Later, at 3, DD1 was awarded DLA and her NI number was used as her reference number. Once she turned 16, I got an official notice of her NI number.

Grey Market adoption? Birth mother does not register child but instead gives it to the adoptive parent/s who register it as their own birth child. This was done frequently in the U.S. when adoption was stigmatized. That was pre-DNA, so wouldn't be as easy now.

The short version is free, the longer one you have to pay for.
Goodness knows why they don't just print the long on. The cynic in me thinks its a way of trying to extract some money to pay for the registration service.

They ask you to confirm your child's details as your child has an nhs number and they are ensuring that they are accessing the correct medical record where the staff will update the new notes of your child's attendance at a&e etc.

Children who were birthed in hospital, admitted to scbu and need daily medication due to their health condition can still receive all the health treatment they need and go abroad with a passport without registering their birth.

I hope less parents do this though, makes census and family research so frustrating!

My baby is half British and was born abroad and registered there. I can/should register her in the UK at some point, but they charge £150 for it and I'm not sure what the benefit is. She can get a UK passport without being registered in the UK from her foreign documents. That would be a reason I guess

You can't have a passport without a birth certificate, don't talk rot

there are always exceptions.
my DF had no birth certificate as the Nazis destroyed all the records of his birth country.

authorities accepted his naturalisation papers instead.

The only benefit I could see would be so in 100 years time when your great great granddaughter is trying to track the family tree they don't get stuck by a birth registered in the US and not being able to access those records. The family appears to have got to the US and then returned.

It's not always child abuse, I knew a lot woman who was planning to free birth and not register because her asylum was likely to be declined. She had some dodgy people who were planning to take her to the woods and hide her. It all sounded very suspicious, and I was relieved to find out that she had gone into Labour early and delivered the baby in hospital. It sounded like that baby might have been farmed out otherwise, however I believe that she was not a child abuser just a desperate refugee. Im not sure what happened to them after that, but I think the risk of her and her baby being returned to their country of origin or an asylum centre were very real threats and nothing to do with intending to abuse the child, only to keep it safe.

I knew of one woman*

Honestly it probably bonkers enough to be "free man of the land" ideology.
Had the misfortune of encountering this at work. Seriously hard work.
It's illegal to not register a birth and in a country like the UK where is attaches to so many free basics such as education, healhcare and child benefit, why not?

I've heard of people who have previously lost children to SS do think about this. It's very hard though. You would have to give birth with no medical assistance.

Probably. The crazies are feeling emboldened at the moment, having attached themselves to the anti-vax and covid-denier groups. The local park group that meets on a Sunday now seems to have expanded from the initial covid focus to encompass any fringe/conspiracy theory group going.

No it's not a thing.

Which parenting group is this "a thing" on because, frankly, I don't believe it.

I think you underestimate how suspicious some people are of the government. I know some people who would definitely consider not registering their children if it didn’t cause such a headache later in life. Some people would like to opt out of any state controlled system if they could.

I registered all my children with a GP when they were a few weeks old and before their birth was registered. No one has ever asked subsequently for a birth certificate and they already had NHS numbers from when they were born. I don’t know whether there is a limit on those or something so if I hadn’t registered them then care would be declined or someone notified?

Read the thread, it definitely is

Parents who have previously had a child or children removed may refuse to engage with services because if services don’t know they are having a baby the baby can’t be taken away- it’s of course very selfish and doesn’t consider the baby’s needs and could potentially be very very dangerous to both mother and baby.

Errmm....its a legal requirement to register the birth of a child,in most of the world I imagine.

Yes, it's amazing.... don't want to pay tax or be shackled by the "system" but miraculously able to claim benefits from the same "system"
Mind boggling cognitive dissonance.

That was my first thought.

I think they must be allocated at birth. I can also add that there must be some sort of system because my three children had consecutive ones.