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Telling 19-year-old son to leave home

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rupes17 · 13/10/2021 10:54

This is an old problem involving a difficult boy who has in the past been a shocking, intolerable problem in so many ways. I'm his father and we recently, after a spate of lies, told him to go, but I couldn't do it without a last ditch attempt to tell him to do a behavioural 180 degree turn, with 20 conditions, or he's out - a long shot, I know, but I had to try this to exercise some integrity and compassion. My wife agreed, although for years she has taken the most trouble from him in terms of abuse (although her bad temper has sometimes kicked things off). He marginally improved but had a small slip when questioning a curfew, partly a misunderstanding, but did fall in line. My wife was upset and yesterday it kicked off when the misunderstanding blew up into a full-scale shouting match and she is now insisting he leave and that I should make him, or she will leave - with our girls. She's upset also for my not fully backing her...but I understand the slightness of the curfew slip and cannot simply say that she is right in this case, despite his past sins. It is important to say that she is fundamentally a
good woman and good mother and I love her, so this is very difficult to navigate. I need a reasonable female view because I don't want to do this without seeing if he can do what I need him to do with regard to the conditions we have set. If he fails, then that is the last chance used up and he goes. I am happy with any criticism or advice.

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Jng1 · 13/10/2021 15:03

Our 19-year old still up and about and banging doors, making noise at 1-2 am midweek was the biggest contributor to massive arguments in our house.

rupes17 · 13/10/2021 15:06

@branleuse the curfew is part of house rules, even if they are, very occasionally, early. If he lives under our roof, then he obeys house rules, and if he's a better person generally, the rules will be relaxed for him.

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Skyeheather · 13/10/2021 15:16

Him moving out could be the making of him, it might make him grow up and behave like an adult if done correctly - I would help him find somewhere to rent, pay the deposit and a month or two's rent in advance then tell him he's on his own and needs to get a job to pay his bills etc. Don't tell him you'll pay for everything forever more, he's an adult now and needs to learn to stand on his own two feet.

It sounds like it will benefit everyone if he moves out. He might come to his senses, realise the error of his ways and ask to return home a breed person, you never know.

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Orangejuicemarathoner · 13/10/2021 15:20

a 10.30 curfew for a 19 year old is extreme.

rupes17 · 13/10/2021 15:23

@Skyeheather yes it will probably be the right course for him.

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rupes17 · 13/10/2021 15:25

@Orangejuicemarathoner you're right, but that 10:30 was an exception, not the rule. It's midnight otherwise.

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user1000000000009 · 13/10/2021 15:26

Why is there a curfew for a 19 year old?

rupes17 · 13/10/2021 15:27

@Orangejuicemarathoner Fridays and Saturdays no curfew.

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BigSandyBalls2015 · 13/10/2021 15:33

A 19 year old can’t really be given a curfew! I get the annoyance of hearing them come in late (I have two 20 year olds) but that’s treating him like a 14 year old.

rupes17 · 13/10/2021 15:52

@BigSandyBalls2015 you might have a point, but the issue(s) is/are much more extensive than that...the situation blew out from there and back to defiance, attitude, swearing and shouting the next day. In general he cannot really accept the way everyone in the house lives, which we expect from all of us.

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rupes17 · 13/10/2021 15:56

@user1000000000009 probably would never be one if past performance had been better. We figured that a curfew is a consequence for ignoring other rules. Even when he didn't have one, he still made things very difficult.

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DaisyNGO · 13/10/2021 15:58

I get that he's behaving horribly

But removal of curfew is key. He's an adult who has to learn to live with the other adults and curfew is treating him like a child.

Can he go in a house share? I have a colleague who actually found one and then packed her DD stuff. The DD was awful. They did pay for the houseshare though.

rupes17 · 13/10/2021 16:07

@DaisyNGO all good advice, well taken. My wife wants the curfew...but I cannot keep sticking up for my son when he cannot cooperate on other levels. Houseshare sounds like good advice.

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sillysmiles · 13/10/2021 16:08

He is 19 and working. He had a (one off) 10.30 curfew that he missed. Given that you mention miscommunication - I'm guessing he forgot it was 10.30 not midnight.

I'm guessing there was a row between your wife and him and neither of them backed now.

I'm not sure from your posts if your wife is his mother?

If she is - do they have similar fiery tempers and rub each other up the wrong way? In which case there are two of them at fault. you can' expect him to listen to someone shouting at him and not shout back.

You problem in this instance though imo isn't your son but your wife, in that she wants him out and you don't. And you need to come to a consensus with her first before you can do anything with your son.

sillysmiles · 13/10/2021 16:13

Why does your wife want a curfew - when the curfew just brings rows?

Have or don't have whatever houserules you want, but be clever about it and don't set rules that you expect him to fail at and then there has to be consequences. That sounds fraught and exhausting for everyone.

My wife's embedded enmity towards him is borne of long frustration, hurt and thwarted love

How do you have enmity for your own son? There are issues with this relationship beyond curfews and swearing.

inferiorCatSlave · 13/10/2021 16:18

some violence - which has subsided to a good extent,

If all the females in the house want him gone - I'm wondering if this is why.

Friends of IL the dad always let the DS back - drugs Mental health issues - everyone agreed with him oh he's your son - slowly dawned on everyone his Mum was literally terrified and would often try to be out till her DH was back she was to scared too be there with him. They never cut him off but the DH was more tolerant perhaps because the violence was less scary and often less directed at him.

I wouldn't want to kick a child of mine out - but there are expecations of behavior becuase things impact on other household members.

Other than keep talking to them both - and explore what other options with living arrangments can be found - not sure there is much to do.

It's impossible for strangers to know if your DW is being irrational and petty or if she really has serious concerns about him being there.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 13/10/2021 16:23

(because he kept on staying out without warning, missing meals, - wasting food etc., lying about his whereabouts constantly and coming home at 2.

He’s 19🤷🏼‍♀️. Don’t make him meals. He’s old enough to vote, get married, do anything. 2 is quite early for 19.

When l was 19 it was all night parties. He’s an adult. Treat him as one.

Aderyn21 · 13/10/2021 16:25

A curfew isn't terrible - act like a child and you get treated like one. The rest of the house shouldn't be disturbed because one person can't be quiet in the middle of the night.
What he said about his sister is pretty hard to forgive. This is so hard because everything you do will be right in some ways and wrong in others. I don't think I'd let him ruin the whole family's lives though. You don't want to keep your son at home, at the expense of your wife and daughters and your marriage. I think you and your wife have to come to an agreement between the two of you and be a united front. She has to be your ultimate priority I think because she has born the brunt of his behaviour and it sounds like she's at breaking point.
I may have missed it but has your family had counseling at all, to help?
Be careful of renting a flat for him - as the renter or guarantor on his behalf, if he trashes the place or just not pay the rent, you will get the bill. I can't see any private landlord agreeing to house an unemployed teenager without you taking the risk. Don't expose yourself financially for him when he cannot be trusted. I think a time out with a relative is your best bet. Let everyone calm down. Again though, if he's violent you can't leave him with his gran.

Branleuse · 13/10/2021 16:25

at 19 if you dont like house rules youre legally allowed to fuck off and get your own bedsit.

I have a 20 year old and if I was hearing him crashing round the house making loud calls or coming in in the early hours on anything more than an occasional basis then id be thinking it was time for him to get his own place. Its not treating someone like a child as adults in the house wouldnt do this either as its treating the rest of the household with disrespect.

Branleuse · 13/10/2021 16:28

I would call the council and tell them that the relationship has broken down and become untenable and he is now homeless. Put it in writing and get him to take it to the homelessness department. Most areas have supported housing for young vulnerable people and he may be able to access that, but only if hes actually homeless, so he may need to stay in a shelter for a few nights

sillysmiles · 13/10/2021 16:31

Ah I missed the post where you had changed names for.
Are the girls very close? Does he feel like an outsider in his family?

Maybe he does need to live with others. Can he financially support himself?

DaisyNGO · 13/10/2021 17:26

[quote rupes18]**@NoLongerATeacher@Deadringer@Constellationstation@Kazplus2@Beamur@Perching@Dolphinnoises
All of your points are very valid and helpful. To answer all at the same time - My wife and I are his M&D. His curfew was a condition of staying (because he kept on staying out without warning, missing meals, - wasting food etc., lying about his whereabouts constantly and coming home at 2 waking us all up with loud telephone conversations), as well as a generally terrible attitude. He is too proud and selfish to back down from anything. My daughters (17 and 20 - bright, vivacious and loving - we don't expect him to be the same as them) both want him gone, so bad is the atmosphere that he generates. I do not want him on a park bench and would see him housed and give him money if he was to go. I am reasonable and pretty level-headed but am so torn that it has clouded my judgement and I am possibly not looking deep enough into the past (drugs - for which he WAS kicked out, by me, for a month), some violence - which has subsided to a good extent, and surly, defiant, manipulative behaviour. I should mention that when my younger daughter was diagnosed with leukaemia 3 years ago (she had a successful transplant and is well) his reaction was 'that's life', and I feared he was soulless. Perhaps that's true.[/quote]
Oh .i missed this due to the name change

Violence? I hope that was reported to police.

If he is violent then I am withdrawing my suggestion of house share.

Get him a bedsit? Where did he go when you kicked him out?

rupes17 · 13/10/2021 18:39

Thanks to you all. Another row over it being told he needs to find somewhere else has just finished with him going to his girlfriend's for the night. We asked for his (our) key and he refused so we will be going through with getting him to leave one way or another. He has places to go so he must weigh up what's best for him and I will provide advice (some of which I got from your suggestions) and some funds (a few hundred) to start with, but the tap will be turned off thereafter.

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RedMarauder · 13/10/2021 18:48

OP if he won't give you the key then you need to change the locks.

Yes it is more expensive but there are arguments both you and your wife, his mother, should and can avoid having.

Bitofachinwag · 13/10/2021 18:57

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

(because he kept on staying out without warning, missing meals, - wasting food etc., lying about his whereabouts constantly and coming home at 2.

He’s 19🤷🏼‍♀️. Don’t make him meals. He’s old enough to vote, get married, do anything. 2 is quite early for 19.

When l was 19 it was all night parties. He’s an adult. Treat him as one.

If you live in someone else's house you will have to follow their rules.

Al