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Andysotones · 15/06/2021 10:15

My brother in law has just created the most ridiculous situation and I am furious.

Here's a preamble, read it or skip ahead...

My wife is one of four and she suffers from that middle child feeling, and frustratingly her family do things to make it not just a feeling but a reality, there's too many to go into, but I'll give you two. The aforementioned brother in law got married the year after my wife and I, and the most convenient day for everything to happen ended up being exactly one year after our wedding. Nobody in my wife's family had our backs when we questioned this, so we spent our first anniversary at their wedding.

My daughter was born last July and they are expecting their first in August, also a girl. They've contacted us to say that they want to use a name that is extremely similar to our daughter's. I'm not going to give real names away, but if our daughter was called Eliza, they are planning on calling their daughter Liza, it's that similar.

My bro in law asked me a few weeks ago, in private about this. I said, it's very similar and I thought it would lead to confusion, and that he needed to remember that he had his wedding on the same date as us, it has affected his sister (my wife) so I don't think there is any way my wife would be cool with it. I didn't want to be too harsh with him in the moment, cos I don't feel telling people what to do ever ends well; I just really hoped he'd see sense that it was just a bad idea on all accounts.

Well, turns out he's still so stuck on the name that they asked us about it last night. They said they know it's similar, but it's also different and they've spoken to other family members that 'don't think it will be a problem'. Again, not having my wife's back and really hammering home the undervalued middle child narrative.

If it was down to me, I think it's just a stupid choice of a name that will lead to confusion, but whatever it's their stupid decision to make. However, when I consider how it makes me wife feel, who is very, very upset, I am downright angry. How could they ever think it was a good idea to even consider the name?? They should have seen the name, chuckled and moved on.

Now, we have to either bite our lip and say it's ok, making them happy but feeling bitter, or we have to be 'the bad guys' and say how we feel. We both think that they are paying us lip service and they've just made up their minds. If they do call their child essentially the same name as our's it's going to leave a bad taste in the mouth every time I have to address their daughter.

They have created a situation where someone will end up disappointed. I am livid.

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SoMuchForSummerLove · 15/06/2021 10:27

I think both your examples are weird.

So what if you share an anniversary? Nobody cares about anyone's anniversary except the two people involved.

And if the names are different, then they're different 🤷🏻‍♀️ What big confusion is it going to cause, realistically? If you shout on one kid and the other comes, who cares?

I think there are very definitely two sides to this story.

idontlikealdi · 15/06/2021 10:28

I think you need to let go of the middle child narrative.

Sirzy · 15/06/2021 10:30

My Nan had Nick, Nicky and Vicky amongst her grandchildren. The similar names didn’t cause any issues or confusion!

Sounds like your looking for reasons to not like him

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DistrictCommissioner · 15/06/2021 10:31

I don’t get the wedding thing, although I’m just not very into weddings, so maybe that would upset other people too? And I think the name thing really depends on what the names really are.

Emily and Amelia is fine. John and Jon is a bit weird.

piglet81 · 15/06/2021 10:33

I think it’s a bit childish to make a fuss about wedding dates, honestly. The name thing is a bit irritating but not the end of the world - in plenty of families names do get reused...

QforCucumber · 15/06/2021 10:34

I really don't see the big deal with any of these, DH is one of 4 children - he's the 3rd, and there's no 'middle child' syndrome.
1 of his brothers called their son the same name as mine (it's a unisex name) it really doesn't cause any confusion in the family.
We've not had anyone get married on our anniversary but again, so what if they did? it's only 1 anniversary you'd miss celebrating on the exact day, surely you have many more to mark the occasion?

Andysotones · 15/06/2021 10:37

@SoMuchForSummerLove

I think both your examples are weird.

So what if you share an anniversary? Nobody cares about anyone's anniversary except the two people involved.

And if the names are different, then they're different 🤷🏻‍♀️ What big confusion is it going to cause, realistically? If you shout on one kid and the other comes, who cares?

I think there are very definitely two sides to this story.

Well, if I tell you that they got made a fuss of by the family, one year later cos it was their first anniversary (and I think my sister in law even got a gift from my parents in law). We didn't get to celebrate our first anniversary. It was a big multiple day wedding where the family was all together for two weeks, so we didn't have an opportunity to do something for ourselves, before anyone says "do a different day"
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TheWomanInTheIronedMask · 15/06/2021 10:37

Yes they are definitely unreasonable not to let you dictate their wedding day or name for their child Hmm

You are "furious" they won't allow you to do that?!

I'm Team BIL and I think the majority of replies will be too tbh. It will be interesting to see your response....

Mumdiva99 · 15/06/2021 10:39

The thing about middle child syndrome is that it is a perception of facts and not necessarily the reality. I have a middle child and she thinks she is the most ignored left out child ever. She isn't and I spend a lot of time meeting her needs, scheduling around her and not favouring the others. (I also have an eldest who thinks he gets all the pressure and expectations - which may be partly true, and a youngest who thinks he's never allowed to do anything the others are - plainly not true as he does stuff the others were never allowed to do at his age). So from that perspective you need to leave the middle child thing alone. The wedding anniversary and wedding date are ridiculous things to be fussed about.....so what if you went to a wedding on your anniversary. No doubt if they'd tried to get married the same year as you but a week before or after you would have had issues.....at least they left it a year.

As for the name - I do understand why you think it's crazy. But all you can do is say - "we think it's too similar and would prefer you choose something else. " - then move on. If they still choose it then that's up to them. Do you all spend a lot of time together? If not the no problem. FYI - not using real names but - my parents refused to give me my middle name as a first name because my dad's cousin - who we never see - has the name. But then named me Michelle - when MY COUSIN who was born a week earlier is called Rochelle...... They couldn't see the stupidity of this!!! And I spent a lot of time with my cousin as a kid but there was never confusion about our names.

QforCucumber · 15/06/2021 10:39

was yours not a 'big multiple day wedding?' is that what the issue is really?

Andysotones · 15/06/2021 10:40

@piglet81

I think it’s a bit childish to make a fuss about wedding dates, honestly. The name thing is a bit irritating but not the end of the world - in plenty of families names do get reused...
I did say it's one of many examples. I didn't want to write a long list. It's just that these things add up. My wife's feelings seem to not get considered time after time. If the name this was the first time something like this happened then maybe she wouldn't be so upset.
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Andysotones · 15/06/2021 10:41

@TheWomanInTheIronedMask

Yes they are definitely unreasonable not to let you dictate their wedding day or name for their child Hmm

You are "furious" they won't allow you to do that?!

I'm Team BIL and I think the majority of replies will be too tbh. It will be interesting to see your response....

It's not about dictating, it's just about them being considerate in the first instance.
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Moonshine11 · 15/06/2021 10:44

Whilst the wedding date wouldn’t bother me I guess the first anniversary may feel more special to you. But honestly going forward you can do what the hell you want.

If they do call their child essentially the same name as our's it's going to leave a bad taste in the mouth every time I have to address their daughter.
It’s not the same name though is it?
Like pp it’s not like it’s John and Jon it is different.
Wouldn’t bother me.

I think your looking for people to agree with you to make you feel better about being pissed off but I don’t see the problem

Andysotones · 15/06/2021 10:44

@QforCucumber

was yours not a 'big multiple day wedding?' is that what the issue is really?
The actual day the legal ceremony took place was exactly a year apart.
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TheWomanInTheIronedMask · 15/06/2021 10:45

I also genuinely don't understand this need to have big celebrations of wedding anniversaries, personally. You are married and presumably have a happy marriage. Surely it's nice to think back over your wedding day and perhaps exchange cards with each other. But it doesn't have to have big celebrations on the exact day!

I have had many anniversaries and a very happy marriage - I would rather have (for example) a nice meal or evening out on a random Thursday because we want to be together rather than having to do it on the 21st July because that was the exact day we married!

Also I quite like the thought of going to someone else's wedding on my wedding anniversary. It would be lovely to think of two other people (hopefully) embarking on a long happy marriage.

If I found myself furious or livid that someone had a wedding on the same day, I'd have a fucking word with myself and try and stop being so fucking self centred.

SoMuchForSummerLove · 15/06/2021 10:45

Nah, sorry, still not convinced.

Your wife is an ADULT who needs to get over her special middle child status. Both of your examples are silly - really, they are. From the perspective of completely neutral outsiders, they are childish and come across like you're both stamping your feet like toddlers.

You can either think about that, or decide that we just don't get it. Up to you.

Andysotones · 15/06/2021 10:45

@Mumdiva99

The thing about middle child syndrome is that it is a perception of facts and not necessarily the reality. I have a middle child and she thinks she is the most ignored left out child ever. She isn't and I spend a lot of time meeting her needs, scheduling around her and not favouring the others. (I also have an eldest who thinks he gets all the pressure and expectations - which may be partly true, and a youngest who thinks he's never allowed to do anything the others are - plainly not true as he does stuff the others were never allowed to do at his age). So from that perspective you need to leave the middle child thing alone. The wedding anniversary and wedding date are ridiculous things to be fussed about.....so what if you went to a wedding on your anniversary. No doubt if they'd tried to get married the same year as you but a week before or after you would have had issues.....at least they left it a year.

As for the name - I do understand why you think it's crazy. But all you can do is say - "we think it's too similar and would prefer you choose something else. " - then move on. If they still choose it then that's up to them. Do you all spend a lot of time together? If not the no problem. FYI - not using real names but - my parents refused to give me my middle name as a first name because my dad's cousin - who we never see - has the name. But then named me Michelle - when MY COUSIN who was born a week earlier is called Rochelle...... They couldn't see the stupidity of this!!! And I spent a lot of time with my cousin as a kid but there was never confusion about our names.

Like I said I could list more things, but I'd be here forever.

The family do get together a lot. They'd see each other lots.

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TheWomanInTheIronedMask · 15/06/2021 10:49

"It's not about dictating, it's just about them being considerate in the first instance."

It isn't about. It's about you being furious about their (reasonable) choices.

"They have created a situation where someone will end up disappointed. I am livid"

Have you heard yourself?

And of course there is a "back story" but you have given examples that are presumably the "worst" of their behaviour - which makes me even more sympathetic to them as you have clearly resented minor issues in the past.

Also, can your wife not speak for herself?

ManicPixie · 15/06/2021 10:51

The wedding example is such a non-issue it’s kind of hilarious you brought it up.

Sirzy · 15/06/2021 10:52

There may be more things but as they are the two you have picked to focus on I would imagine the others are even more petty

Mumdiva99 · 15/06/2021 10:55

"The family do get together a lot. They'd see each other lots." - and as I said - as a child who was in this exact situation. It was never an issue. My aunt and uncle never ranted at my parents. My grandparents always knew which child was being talked about. My cousin and I didn't get confused when someone called one or the other of us.......You are fussing about nothing.

QforCucumber · 15/06/2021 10:57

If these 2 pointers are the biggest problems, then there really isn't a problem.

The actual day the legal ceremony took place was exactly a year apart.
So what? I really don't understand why it matters. You got married the year prior, not the same day.

DancesWithTortoises · 15/06/2021 10:57

Let your wife speak for herself, she isn't a child. It's weird that you are speaking for her.

SoMuchForSummerLove · 15/06/2021 11:00

I'm just thinking about this. I have cousins called Barry and Gary (very 80s Grin ) and I don't remember any of my Aunts or Uncles giving any amount of fucks.

There were very many less special snowflakes going about in those days though, demanding ownership of actual dates and names that sound anything like other names.

Andysotones · 15/06/2021 11:00

Ok, it's seems I have come across like a pantomime villain here.

Looking back on my language I can see it is quite visceral and fair play for calling me out on that. I had a shocking nights sleep, they did decide to video call us and tell us at about 12.30am last night, which didn't exactly set us up for a great restful night, plus my little one had a restless night too. I'm sure my sleep deprivation has contributed to my mood.

I think I'm allowed to have feelings. I appreciate those who have written level headed responses. You have recognised that you're not in this exact situation so you didn't try and police my feelings.

To those who are telling me that I am/we are petty or to get over myself, I only hope that people hear you out and give you a chance when you are upset about things.

It's interesting to see where general opinion has fallen. I've learned my lesson, the family dynamic is far too nuanced to communicate it properly on a forum like this.

Have a lovely day everyone.

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