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Permission to rant!

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Andysotones · 15/06/2021 10:15

My brother in law has just created the most ridiculous situation and I am furious.

Here's a preamble, read it or skip ahead...

My wife is one of four and she suffers from that middle child feeling, and frustratingly her family do things to make it not just a feeling but a reality, there's too many to go into, but I'll give you two. The aforementioned brother in law got married the year after my wife and I, and the most convenient day for everything to happen ended up being exactly one year after our wedding. Nobody in my wife's family had our backs when we questioned this, so we spent our first anniversary at their wedding.

My daughter was born last July and they are expecting their first in August, also a girl. They've contacted us to say that they want to use a name that is extremely similar to our daughter's. I'm not going to give real names away, but if our daughter was called Eliza, they are planning on calling their daughter Liza, it's that similar.

My bro in law asked me a few weeks ago, in private about this. I said, it's very similar and I thought it would lead to confusion, and that he needed to remember that he had his wedding on the same date as us, it has affected his sister (my wife) so I don't think there is any way my wife would be cool with it. I didn't want to be too harsh with him in the moment, cos I don't feel telling people what to do ever ends well; I just really hoped he'd see sense that it was just a bad idea on all accounts.

Well, turns out he's still so stuck on the name that they asked us about it last night. They said they know it's similar, but it's also different and they've spoken to other family members that 'don't think it will be a problem'. Again, not having my wife's back and really hammering home the undervalued middle child narrative.

If it was down to me, I think it's just a stupid choice of a name that will lead to confusion, but whatever it's their stupid decision to make. However, when I consider how it makes me wife feel, who is very, very upset, I am downright angry. How could they ever think it was a good idea to even consider the name?? They should have seen the name, chuckled and moved on.

Now, we have to either bite our lip and say it's ok, making them happy but feeling bitter, or we have to be 'the bad guys' and say how we feel. We both think that they are paying us lip service and they've just made up their minds. If they do call their child essentially the same name as our's it's going to leave a bad taste in the mouth every time I have to address their daughter.

They have created a situation where someone will end up disappointed. I am livid.

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SoMuchForSummerLove · 15/06/2021 11:41

Well, you can feel however you want about the name thing - but they're not using your exact name!

Andysotones · 15/06/2021 11:41

@Bibidy

The name thing is ridiculous. In many cultures, family names re-used endlessly. In DH's family, there are two names that are particularly prevalent and honestly, it's a bit annoying at times, but it's fine.

In fairness though this obviously isn't the case in OP's wife's family otherwise it likely wouldn't be an issue.

I would be annoyed if my sister chose to name her child an almost identical name to my child's, particularly just a few months later, unless they were both named after a relative or something like that. I think it's quite unusual to do something like this in families where it's not a cultural thing.

I know examples of cultures where it is done. My ex's dad was part of a long line of first born men called James/Jim.

It's not something anyone else has done in my wife's family, as far as I know.

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TedHastingsweeDonkey · 15/06/2021 11:42

I'm with you OP! Maybe I could get past the wedding date if it was one of those amazing coincidences where let's say the venue was only available on that day, or the vicar had just that single day available. But if I was the BIL I'd want a date to myself. Same with the name. Why would I want my child to have an extremely similar name to her cousin? It does sound like that the family dynamics are a bit weird and to be honest, I really wouldn't be happy if I was your wife.

Also, everyone saying the BIL has done nothing wrong and it wouldn't bother them, I think this maybe true in your own families if there were no prior issues whatsoever and as I said these were all great coincidences with the timings etc. But when it's part of a bigger issue, it does make you think if they are doing it as they have no consideration for OP and his family...

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Andysotones · 15/06/2021 11:44

@MissingTheMoonlight

My brother married on the same weekend as us the following year and we had a lovely time celebrating our anniversary at their wedding with family around; seriously not a big deal. With regards the baby name, it wouldn't personally bother me. If they love the name, let them use it, it takes nothing away from you.

However, I don't see why they asked your opinion but won't accept your answer, that's frustrating. They should respect your opinion if you've asked them not to use the name.

I respect that it was totally fine with you. As I said, if it was the only thing then I wouldn't have given it another thought, but it's part of a long line of situations.

I agree that coming to me first and then coming to us together to gauge our opinion is odd, especially if had no plans to consider our response and do what they planned to, regardless. They should have just told us, end of story.

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Bibidy · 15/06/2021 11:44

I know examples of cultures where it is done. My ex's dad was part of a long line of first born men called James/Jim.

Yes I agree OP. I know there are lots of countries/cultures where the same or similar names are used all the time - thinking of the joke in My Big Fat Greek Wedding where all the cousins are called Nik or Nikki! But in a situation where that isn't the case, I do think it's an unusual thing to do and think many people would feel annoyed by it.

Andysotones · 15/06/2021 11:53

@30degreesandmeltinghere

Look at it this way. They are the ones looking like they have no imagination or thought of their own... Back away op. Maybe what you and dw need...
If only! My wife's family live in each other's pockets. It's just the way they are, very much involved in one another's lives, for better or for worse, that will never change!
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Andysotones · 15/06/2021 11:55

@louisiannah

I do think it's odd how many people have replied to the OP saying that they think the BiL is not doing anything wrong. It's down right just strange behaviour to do those things!? I agree with you, OP. And I completely understand why your wife is upset. Some people are just weird and your brother in law is one of them Confused
Thanks, interesting to see I wasn't coming from an opinion that nobody could understand.
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Andysotones · 15/06/2021 11:58

[quote HungryHippo20]@Andysotones I would be pissed off about these things too tbh! You sound really caring and considerate towards your wife but I do agree with others in that you should probably let it go for your own sanity. Just focus on yourselves as I think your wife's family sound very selfish [/quote]
It's just so very complicated - as all families are! They can be so giving, thoughtful and considerate in many ways, I don't want to paint them out to be bad people, there are just situations...

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CJsGoldfish · 15/06/2021 12:36

I did say it's one of many examples. I didn't want to write a long list

Then you should have lead with two that weren't such non events. Are the rest on the 'long list' much the same?

TheWomanInTheIronedMask · 15/06/2021 12:58

I didn't actually assume OP was a man. Regardless, surely OP's wife has a voice to speak up for herself. If he is a man it seems Hmm that he and BIL are having all the conversations on behalf of their wives which is a bizarre dynamic.

SoMuchForSummerLove · 15/06/2021 13:15

I didn't either actually. And I don't get the 'why are you posting on your wife's behalf' made up faux outrage either. If this is affecting the OPs family life he/she can discuss it all they like.

AnneLovesGilbert · 15/06/2021 13:43

List some other examples if you don’t think you’re getting a fair hearing based on the two given.

Andysotones · 15/06/2021 13:47

@TheWomanInTheIronedMask

I didn't actually assume OP was a man. Regardless, surely OP's wife has a voice to speak up for herself. If he is a man it seems Hmm that he and BIL are having all the conversations on behalf of their wives which is a bizarre dynamic.
You have misunderstood. Let's just move on.
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Andysotones · 15/06/2021 13:48

@AnneLovesGilbert

List some other examples if you don’t think you’re getting a fair hearing based on the two given.
Is mumsnet a jury I need to convince?
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Andysotones · 15/06/2021 13:50

@SoMuchForSummerLove

I didn't either actually. And I don't get the 'why are you posting on your wife's behalf' made up faux outrage either. If this is affecting the OPs family life he/she can discuss it all they like.
I was ranting, due to how I was feeling. This post wasn't for her family to read or anything, so yes I don't understand how I'm not allowed to post like this or something.
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AnneLovesGilbert · 15/06/2021 13:51

Not at all. But you list two things then say they’re not the key things when the majority of replies say your reaction is disproportionate and unhelpful to your wife and you. If you want to keep reiterating there are other issues and we’d all be sympathetic if we knew then by all means share them. Or just keep seething and feeling misunderstood - based on what you chose to describe.

PhillipPhillop · 15/06/2021 14:05

I can't see that the two things upsetting you at the moment have any relevance to being the middle child. Are you saying that this wouldn't have happened if your wife was the oldest or the youngest? I'm assuming BIL is the oldest or youngest so does the other middle child suffer from the slights that you feel your wife gets?

Andysotones · 15/06/2021 14:19

@AnneLovesGilbert

Not at all. But you list two things then say they’re not the key things when the majority of replies say your reaction is disproportionate and unhelpful to your wife and you. If you want to keep reiterating there are other issues and we’d all be sympathetic if we knew then by all means share them. Or just keep seething and feeling misunderstood - based on what you chose to describe.
I don't think there would be one thing that is some magic bullet to make everyone think 'oh yes, she's not had a fair shake'. Taken individually people could always dismiss any anecdote, so I would need to write a long list. I'm not about to divulge loads of details about our life.

People seem to think I'm devastated about the wedding. It did bother me a bit, I feel no shame for that, but culturally for my wife's family it was something you would not expect to happen, and I don't think would have happened to anyone else.

The wedding factor was just a precursor for some context, to the baby name story. Fair play that loads of people think it's a non-issue. I don't feel that way, and I don't see why people view it as inherently wrong to feel that way. Different stokes for different folks, n'all. I take ownership of the fact that I expressed it in an over emotional way earlier today and came off poorly.

That said, people disagreed with me, and I respect that. I don't need to get to a place on this thread where I earn their validation.

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Andysotones · 15/06/2021 14:25

@PhillipPhillop

I can't see that the two things upsetting you at the moment have any relevance to being the middle child. Are you saying that this wouldn't have happened if your wife was the oldest or the youngest? I'm assuming BIL is the oldest or youngest so does the other middle child suffer from the slights that you feel your wife gets?
Oh yeah, the elder middle child does feel less valued than the eldest and youngest. However that is their business and I have no right to discuss anything of their life here.
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CJsGoldfish · 16/06/2021 04:49

Oh yeah, the elder middle child does feel less valued than the eldest and youngest. However that is their business and I have no right to discuss anything of their life here

LOL. I didn't even pick up that she isn't even an 'actual' middle child. Just has those 'middle child feelings' that one has when they're not actually the middle child 🤣

Onlinedilema · 16/06/2021 05:35

Hi op, I see where you are coming from. Personally I'm with you. If asked about the name thing my response would be , with a yeah you are a dick face, " No I don't think you should use the name, it's far too similar to my Olivias name, it's just weird really isn't it? " Then leave it at that. You have made your feelings clear.
Can you see less of them?
Families can be a nightmare.
Even a friend (her husband was friends with my husband) told me she would not use the same name as my dd even though she loved the name as it was our dds name.
People site boys being named after their fathers but let me tell you, it's weird, people might not sat it to your face but it does make you look like a dick.

Sadiecow · 16/06/2021 06:45

Oh yeah, the elder middle child does feel less valued than the eldest and youngest. However that is their business and I have no right to discuss anything of their life here.

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