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Housekeeper COVID safety

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TravellingSmartMum · 30/08/2020 23:25

Hi - today I am really fuming . Our housekeeper who has a sweet spot for my three year old daughter came into our apartment (she has her own set of keys), picked her up (we never sanctioned this and she didn’t wash hands to add) and started kissing her a dozen times on the face. I immediately came out of the kitchen where I was making my child’s meal and took my child away. She called for my child again and did the same thing and I took my child away. This time both me and my husband spoke to the housekeeper saying how unsafe she was with doing this and we didn’t approve, and were actually angry. I am still very angry and think she’s a liability and should be fired. If she is this callous who knows what else she is doing that is wreck less in this pandemic? After all she does clean multiple households. I asked her to leave her keys today which she ‘forgot to do’ and then she texted to ask if I was upset. I was very frank with her about how upset I was and how my child’s safety surpasses anything. How could she infringe like this on my child being an adult and understanding the severity of what’s happening ? Also before leaving today (post us confronting her about what she did) she still had the nerve to ask me to leave her a good review for cleaning to her agency . It added more wood to the fire. I spoke to her agency and told them everything, from which they were in shock. I also said she doesn’t routinely wear masks while cleaning in our house which also we question and they stated it’s their protocol that all cleaners have to wear masks 100% of the time. They said she would be kept off assignments (and most likely fired) and she would provide for our keys. I feel so frustrated and upset that this happened on my watch (that I didn’t tell them how callous she was about masks from before and most of all I didn’t yell more at her and tell her to get out immediately after she kissed my daughter) but you just don’t expect someone to behave this way let alone in your own home 😕. Just wanted to know what others would do and please without judgement . We are being hard on ourselves as is. I really don’t think she deserves a second chance because she should just know better — and most of all I lost my trust in her coming into my home. I’ve also asked the agency to get her to do a covid test ASAP as the responsibility was on them for putting her risky behaviour into our home. Most likely they will fire her and I don’t feel bad or sympathy but feels she deserves this for what she did. Is that very unempathetic on my part?

What I really also don’t understand is that she realised how I took my child away from her and my husband also starting telling my child to come back - yet she called for my child a second time and did the same thing. As if to test our reaction , she’s a mother as well of two grown children and for her not to read any of these signals and repeat it is beyond clueless and a liability for her work.

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TravellingSmartMum · 31/08/2020 09:41

@Houseplantmad

While what she did was potentially dangerous but, let's be honest, a very low risk, especially in London, you didn't handle it well at all and maybe could benefit from some training in how to interact pleasantly with staff ie not shouting etc. It sounds as if you and your husband made the situation a lot more inflammatory than it needed to be.

Why hadn't you reported non mask wearing previously? The woman has lost her job now in a market that is very difficult. Why couldn't you have calmly but firmly explained things to her rather than getting her sacked and given her the chance to improve. Even worse, you then post about it...and are extremely defensive when questioned (which is what happens on a public forum!)

Please read answers to all of the above in previous posts. Again if we feel our daughter is in any way at risk , her health comes first. Not the feelings of an encroaching unprofessional relative stranger who has no relationship to our daughter and decides to weirdly touch and kiss her not once but twice in spite seeing both parents uncomfortable with the situation . The mask wearing her company asked about and I am definitely not going to lie on her behalf
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gamerchick · 31/08/2020 09:43

It really never hit me because we usually are in different parts of the house so there is no intersection . The mask question got brought up by her agency and I was honest about what I observed

Yes, only when it suited your agenda.

You can't justify yourself here. You could do with learning a more professional way of dealing with people that isn't vindictive.

gamerchick · 31/08/2020 09:46

And I don't believe for one minute that it was the agency who brought it up first. Your OP is very clear, maybe you should re read it.

Own your shit if you think you're so in the right.

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TravellingSmartMum · 31/08/2020 09:46

@gamerchick

It really never hit me because we usually are in different parts of the house so there is no intersection . The mask question got brought up by her agency and I was honest about what I observed

Yes, only when it suited your agenda.

You can't justify yourself here. You could do with learning a more professional way of dealing with people that isn't vindictive.

So when the agency asked to I protect the interest of a woman who actually put my daughter at risk and interacted with her in a way she should never have? Please feel free to hire and train someone like this however we don’t care for such an individual near our young daughter
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gamerchick · 31/08/2020 09:47

Like I said, re read your OP.

LuluBellaBlue · 31/08/2020 09:48

Wow what a lovely person you are.....

Houseplantmad · 31/08/2020 09:49

"Please read answers to all of the above in previous posts. Again if we feel our daughter is in any way at risk , her health comes first. Not the feelings of an encroaching unprofessional relative stranger who has no relationship to our daughter and decides to weirdly touch and kiss her not once but twice in spite seeing both parents uncomfortable with the situation . The mask wearing her company asked about and I am definitely not going to lie on her behalf"

yet you completely ignore the points made about how poorly you handled the situation...

TravellingSmartMum · 31/08/2020 09:51

@gamerchick

And I don't believe for one minute that it was the agency who brought it up first. Your OP is very clear, maybe you should re read it.

Own your shit if you think you're so in the right.

Sorry but I have no reason to lie. The rules of her company ask for masks and she didn’t follow it. She’s an adult who is responsible for her own decisions . If my employer told me to come to the office in a mask I wouldn’t show up only 10 percent of the time in one . You really sound not very intelligent trying to say I am lying . I came her to speak to pArents who’ve had any stranger adult behave this way and what they might have done. Not to be chastised because I don’t like strange adults inappropriately being physical with my young child
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TravellingSmartMum · 31/08/2020 09:54

@Houseplantmad

"Please read answers to all of the above in previous posts. Again if we feel our daughter is in any way at risk , her health comes first. Not the feelings of an encroaching unprofessional relative stranger who has no relationship to our daughter and decides to weirdly touch and kiss her not once but twice in spite seeing both parents uncomfortable with the situation . The mask wearing her company asked about and I am definitely not going to lie on her behalf"

yet you completely ignore the points made about how poorly you handled the situation...

Also when you have children feel free to be vigil or not with inappropriate adult interaction with them. But my child is my own and she shouldn’t be made to be kissed by any adult let alone any adult she has no relationship with. I find it actually creepy and for you to justify it you sound creepy.
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gamerchick · 31/08/2020 10:01

Sorry but I have no reason to lie

So you were in your first post then? Hmm

TravellingSmartMum · 31/08/2020 10:02

@Houseplantmad

"Please read answers to all of the above in previous posts. Again if we feel our daughter is in any way at risk , her health comes first. Not the feelings of an encroaching unprofessional relative stranger who has no relationship to our daughter and decides to weirdly touch and kiss her not once but twice in spite seeing both parents uncomfortable with the situation . The mask wearing her company asked about and I am definitely not going to lie on her behalf"

yet you completely ignore the points made about how poorly you handled the situation...

When she is doing something inappropriate and putting our child at risk she is lucky we didn’t call the police. And apparently yelling was too lax as she did it again calling our child to her and kissing her again . If it was something harsh we did to reprimand her why would she repeat the same inappropriate behaviour ?
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TravellingSmartMum · 31/08/2020 10:04

@gamerchick

Sorry but I have no reason to lie

So you were in your first post then? Hmm

You caught me out! So brilliant now goodbye
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gamerchick · 31/08/2020 10:07

The way you're replying on this thread stands by what you said in your first post. Not the back peddle later on. You've behaved in a vindictive way because someone pissed you off.

Yes she was in the wrong picking your kid up, nobody is disputing that. The way you handled it was appalling and you really should work on that tbh.

Houseplantmad · 31/08/2020 10:14

Yes she was in the wrong picking your kid up, nobody is disputing that. The way you handled it was appalling and you really should work on that tbh.

^^ this is a perfect summary.

TravellingSmartMum · 31/08/2020 10:35

@Houseplantmad

Yes she was in the wrong picking your kid up, nobody is disputing that. The way you handled it was appalling and you really should work on that tbh.

^^ this is a perfect summary.

Yes the fact she picked up my daughter (A child she has no relationship with) and she began deeply to kiss her non stop around her face not once but in two instances even with both parents protesting is very wrong. The fact we have my daughters 80 year old grandmother here visiting after several months and now everyone is worried because of the unprofessional behaviour of this woman is wrong. The fact that her prerogative towards behaving a certain way to our child in spite our objections and you defending that is wrong. To her as an adult knowing about the pandemic and then being wreckless around a 3 year old innocent child yes wrong again .
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LesLavandes · 31/08/2020 10:40

Gamerchick. I agree with you.

OP. Your behaviour is disgusting and heartless.

You are the parent and adult and should imo, covered everything with the cleaning lady (not housekeeper) before she came back after lockdown.

You come across as pretentious and entitled.

You don't care that you probably lost someone their job.

gamerchick · 31/08/2020 10:44

You just have a clue do you OP? Grin

gamerchick · 31/08/2020 10:44

*don't

acatcalledjohn · 31/08/2020 10:52

Unless the cleaner has been living under a rock the last 6 months she know that she:

  1. Should have been wearing a mask
  2. Shouldn't have picked up the OP's DC and kissed them

Those two are enough to complain to the agency.

The fact that she repeated point 2 despite a seemingly clear negative reaction first time around shows her lack of care. And the latter is what would get her fired,

not the OP. Because the OP doesn't employ her.

To think the OP overreacted because some thing that being in London is safe now Hmm, or that she should have been tactful, is just barmy. Would any of you go in to someone else's house and behave like that, especially if your job is to go from house to house cleaning for a number of people?

I don't know if people have noticed but spikes keep happening. People are travelling abroad surprisingly freely. Why somehow the problem is the OP when, in the real world, someone has come in to her home and behaved in a very inappropriate manner with her child is just bizarre.

I'm one of the most chilled people when it comes to this virus. Then yesterday that changed when I went to a different supermarket and honestly, no masks, no distancing, people getting in your space. It only takes one infected bell-end to go out and cause a mini spike.

OP, wait about a week before you have your child tested.

TravellingSmartMum · 31/08/2020 10:53

@LesLavandes

Gamerchick. I agree with you.

OP. Your behaviour is disgusting and heartless.

You are the parent and adult and should imo, covered everything with the cleaning lady (not housekeeper) before she came back after lockdown.

You come across as pretentious and entitled.

You don't care that you probably lost someone their job.

Should I also tell the postman, the repairman and the plumber not to pick up my daughter and begin kissing her randomly? That this is inappropriate behaviour? Or do I give this woman her own agency for behaving inappropriately and putting an innocent child at risk for her own whim,and disregarding her parents protests. She is a 50 something adult , she should know better.
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gamerchick · 31/08/2020 10:59

OP, NOBODY is disputing that she was wrong for picking your kid up. It's really strange you keep saying the same thing. Iike really weird, repeating yourself over and over will not excuse your own behaviour. No matter how many times you do it.

Tadpolesandfroglets · 31/08/2020 11:11

Yes, it’s odd, inappropriate and anxiety provoking that your cleaning lady behaved in this manner. I can understand why you are upset and worried. However, it was not handled in the best way. Why not, after the first incident, take the woman aside and explain that you are entirely uncomfortable with the close physical contact?. Remind her about covid protocol when working in your home, ask her to respect social distancing or you might have to talk to her agency. It seems you reacted in an extreme manner without really thinking things through. Communication with you ‘staff’ should always be the first port of call.

TravellingSmartMum · 31/08/2020 12:29

@acatcalledjohn

Unless the cleaner has been living under a rock the last 6 months she know that she:
  1. Should have been wearing a mask
  2. Shouldn't have picked up the OP's DC and kissed them

Those two are enough to complain to the agency.

The fact that she repeated point 2 despite a seemingly clear negative reaction first time around shows her lack of care. And the latter is what would get her fired,

not the OP. Because the OP doesn't employ her.

To think the OP overreacted because some thing that being in London is safe now Hmm, or that she should have been tactful, is just barmy. Would any of you go in to someone else's house and behave like that, especially if your job is to go from house to house cleaning for a number of people?

I don't know if people have noticed but spikes keep happening. People are travelling abroad surprisingly freely. Why somehow the problem is the OP when, in the real world, someone has come in to her home and behaved in a very inappropriate manner with her child is just bizarre.

I'm one of the most chilled people when it comes to this virus. Then yesterday that changed when I went to a different supermarket and honestly, no masks, no distancing, people getting in your space. It only takes one infected bell-end to go out and cause a mini spike.

OP, wait about a week before you have your child tested.

Thank you! I am not cavalier with my child’s health . A stranger hired to do a job shouldn’t be cavalier either with another individuals health. If they are fired because of something they actively chose to do, the onus is on them
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anonacatchat · 31/08/2020 12:39

You are totally over reacting . Lol asking for no judgement. You sound like a nutter sorry .

TravellingSmartMum · 31/08/2020 12:41

@anonacatchat

You are totally over reacting . Lol asking for no judgement. You sound like a nutter sorry .
And you sound like a statistic
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