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Do you judge Mother’s of young DC that work FT?

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Howcouldyoubelieveme · 08/01/2020 13:29

I’m a Mum to a 5 year old and a 2 year old and I work full time. I went back in both cases when my DC was 10months old.

I never thought I would be living the life I am but DH has some mental health issues which mean I am the breadwinner and part time or SAHM is not an option. Most people would not know this about me, for context.

Most of the time I feel ok about it, I have my moments of regret and sadness but my work is so busy (lecturer) I can suppress and I make sure the evenings and weekends are amazing for them.

But there are moments, like right now, when I just feel so judged and so isolated. I literally know no one else with young kids who works FT to speak to. All of my Mum friends work pt or not at all. They all have breadwinning partners and I am fearful of becoming resentful that my husband isn’t. They also all have help with childcare, we have no family in this country and I think that makes it worse. I’m the one that works full time in a good job and I’m the one with a tiny house and 12 year old car. Primarily because I spend the best part of a grand a month on childcare. That makes me sound so materialistic! I’m honestly not but it doesn’t help the situation.

So basically Im just ranting and feeling sorry for myself, due to a couple of throwaway comments made to me this morning. I feel like the worlds worst Mum and I just want to go and hug my babies.

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BiddyPop · 09/01/2020 12:53

I went back when DD was 5 months old (I took an extra month of unpaid mat leave at the time to extend it). I know many who extended mat leave to a year, and statutory mat leave is now longer anyway (I missed an extra 4 weeks off by 3 weeks, and it's since been extended again).

Many went back to work, but also many did not.

DD went to creche related to my work, so while not in my building, it was parents doing similar jobs every day dropping off and collecting.

Once primary rolled around, it was different as there were a mix of FT, PT, WAHM and SAHMs amongst the mothers. So there was a lot more of "come around for coffee after drop off" and playdates in afternoons etc. But also plenty of DMs who could only make evening dinner or drinks meetups, and playdates arranged at weekends.

DH is very hands on and practical, and has always been very involved - but has also had to spend a lot of time abroad in the recession (2 consecutive weeks every month, for 4 years, and travelling long haul on the weekends at either end of that, so only 1 weekend at home a month and that was pressured for us to go "down home" to visit DPILs and DPs).

The hardest time probably was primary school and when afterschool activities were happening in the afternoons. I managed to work a carpool for the 1 activity offsite with 2 other FT DMs - so we only needed 1 afternoon off every 3 weeks and would mind the other 2 on those weeks until normal pickup times (and I could do a certain amount WFH on those days some weeks and not need to use up my leave, the same with the other 2 DMs). And DD couldn't do certain activities outside of school - but had other activities at weekends etc.

But she also learned independence - we were building up her ability to come home herself in the evenings in 5th class (we'd got to the point of her leaving the afterschool at 5.30 and getting home at 5.45, and I'd be home by 6 - over a period of months and steps) when a serious bullying issue arose and meant she needed to go to a different afterschool club, dropping 2 activities (they couldn't collect anytime other than school finishing time) and walking home mid-afternoon from 2 more. She rang when she got home (so I'd know she was in, safe), and made herself a snack and did her homework.

By the time she got to secondary, she was happy to get the commuter train (DART) from her school to the local town with her classmates for "coffee" (hot chocolates) after school on Fridays, and now happily comes into the city centre to meet me at my office if need be (now 2nd year in secondary, age 14). She is used to managing money and going into shops/coffee shops and getting things. She keeps in touch on her phone, and checks in with me about potential plans and how things change - and is able to show others in her class how to get places without needing parents to drive them (lots went to our equivalent of Westfield on Christmas breakup day after school - someone had an idea in school that morning, she checked could she go rather than meeting me straight after school, and having been given permission, was able to show them all which bus to get rather than convoluted bus/tram/walking routes).

So when she had an opportunity to travel away with a sports club over Christmas for a tournament, we had no qualms saying yes. She is quite independent - but still has a very strong bond with both DH and I. She's been able to do a lot of things despite being in afterschool club rather than having a SAHM (various sports/activities in school as ECAs after school, through afterschool clubs themselves over the years, and outside of school altogether that we have organised).

And yet, I have been fulfilled as a person, as well as having the necessary wage coming in. While theoretically we could have survived on DH's wages alone, his is the more unstable job (nature of the sector) while mine is more stable. And I probably would have gone mad being a SAHM as well - much as I love DD, she drives me mad at times too and I also need to do things other than 20 million rounds of "Old McDonald" - the 5 million rounds on the commute home in the car in gridlocked traffic were more than enough on many occasions thank you kindly (we ran out of farm animals AND zoo animals on more than 1 occasion).

museumum · 09/01/2020 13:01

I don’t judge at all, most mums I know work 4 days but you wouldn’t necessarily know that they went home after drop off one day unless you stalked them. All families I know share drop offs and pick ups and nobody really knows all the details of other people’s lives. (I work 4.5 days a week in term time, about 3 days a week in holidays).

Pluckedpencil · 09/01/2020 13:32

I'm in your position. Kids 3 and 8, full time with a half hour commute both ends and no GPs as we live abroad. I leave at 8 and get home at 6pm. It was either full time or nothing. I needed to work for my own sanity and sense of self. I love my kids but I was feeling guilt being at home thinking what example am I setting with my degree and then just doing housework and resenting it? So I went back. It's bloody tough, yesterday I cried (it's getting back into the routine after Xmas). DH supported me both ways but has admitted me working has taken a big mental load off him, knowing he is not the sole Warner and if something goes wrong with his work we can pay the rent. I don't judge you, I totally support you. I also support anyone juggling pt demands, anyone home with little kids, anyone who's gets the house perfect for when their school age kids get home. We are all working in our own way.

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Slat3 · 09/01/2020 13:43

I’m a full time working mum. My partner also works full time but shift work so luckily my 2 year old only needs 2 days in nursery & we get help from grandparents (I book annual leave days if needed). I also have a 4 year old in school and get help with pick ups there too.
I have a flexible employer so I can take time off for appointments / school events / etc & generally don’t miss too much. I recently got promoted into management so it’s quite stressful & hard work both at home & at work. I’m financially independent & earning a good wage even though I took a full year off work with each mat leave.
I’m basically having my cake & eating it, but under the surface I’m stressed, not enjoying life much & trying to keep my head above water.

So I don’t judge FT working mums but I get so jealous of PT working mums (not SAHP I couldn’t do that). To have one or two days off a week would be amazing.

FriedasCarLoad · 09/01/2020 13:47

Honestly, I feel sorry for them.

Of course I'd never be so rude or patronising as to say that IRL. But the truth is that I think they're missing out. Either they have no choice or they don't realise (in my opinion).

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 09/01/2020 16:56

I work full time, ideally i would like to work less days but my work wouldnt be flexible and im well paid so it doesnt make sense to leave atm.
No situation is perfect, my husband is self employed, so when not at nursery my DD is with her dad- they have a lovely bond so I dont think she suffers from me working.

I imagine it will be harder once my child is at school...havent figured that one out yet.

Wheretogo44 · 09/01/2020 17:05

@friedascarload do you feel sorry for FT working dads too? Since they're also missing out?

user1487194234 · 09/01/2020 19:15

I definitely don't judge
Everyone (men and women) should do what suits them and their family best
It's unlikely to be a one off choice, life brings changes,good and bad
Interestingly my sister and I did the exact opposite of each other in the 0 to 5 years
Kids all in their 20s and I defy anyone to be able to tell which DC had the SAHM

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