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advice on stubborn child that refuses activities

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fabnf · 25/03/2019 14:40

Hi,

My daughter is 4, she is wonderful but she is VERY attached to me. When she was 2 I put her on a ballet class where parents join in, she had fun for about 8 months, then it came a time where they were going to do a presentation in the theatre and parents weren't allowed in, she refused to go and I ended up pulling her out of ballet.
Just a few months before we stopped the ballet I engaged her in a gymnastic class, again parents would join in so all was fine, after about 10 months she went to a level where parents were not allowed to join anymore but just to watch. So she cried and clung to my legs but one of the coaches just took her from my arms and let her joined the class crying, after about 10m she stopped crying and started to join, I couldn't believe! She continued for another 12 months and she was so good at it that she was asked to join a development class, everything was going great, then the winter came and she started losing interest, refusing to join in. I thought she was getting too tired as she was going at 4pm after a day at nursery/pre-school and the winter do let us down a bit so I thought we would give it a break, what else could I do? Can't force her to do it, I did try bribing but it didn't work!
So then there was some tennis taster classes at her pre-school, their teaches told me she would do well playing tennis so I went on to engaged her in tennis classes which she happily played for a good 6 months with me just watching her. Then again she started refusing to play for no apparent reason, I insisted for a while and she will do it as long as I am standing there next to her - and it has to be me, not daddy. Problem is now I am heavily pregnant with my 2nd child and I am tired of this drama and being there standing next to her the whole class. She does seem to enjoy the class but it comes with all this drama. But she also tells me that she does not like to play tennis. I thought I insisted enough and decided to pull her out once again.
Finally she is now doing swimming lessons she had 3 lessons so far. The pool is nice and warm, there are 3 teachers, it's only 30m lessons.
When it starts they tell the kids to sit at the edge of the pool and they attach this shark fin on their back which makes them float and they all have a wonderful time. But mine refused to even sit at the edge of the pool, as I try to sit her, her legs wouldn't bend and she started to cry so the coach tells me not to force and she put another coach to deal with her which was a very nice lady full of smiles that came with all those swimming toys and my daughter went along with it, though she still refuses the shark fin.Then at the end then told me she will do just fine and in no time she would be joining in with the other kids. Second lessons pretty much the same. Third lessons the nice lady wasn't there, there were only 2 coaches, one went for her to do this 1-2-1 attention but she wasn't having it! She refused to do anything and even before the class started she was clinging to me, after 15min (half the lessons) she finally gives in but I had to literally be at the side of the pool bending over and talking to her the whole time for her to do stuff.
It doesn't matter how much you tell her she won't have this or that if she doesn't do the lessons, she doesn't care, she is VERY stubborn. But when she finally do things she is wonderful at everything she does.
My DH blames me, he thinks I am too soft and keeps telling me I need to cut the umbilical cord. He wants me to stay at home and let him take her to the classes. My mum said yesterday I need to be more active with baby 2 when he is born and I just thought how can I be more active?? I am the one who goes after all these classes and engaged my daughter into it, I started when she was 2, could I have started any earlier? What I am doing wrong??
I feel terrible! It does seem I am the problem - because she is soo attached to me she wants me to do everything with her. I encourage her to do things on her own, I want her to enjoy her activities and I want to be able to watch her doing it.
I think naturally kids are lazy and don't want to do stuff so we have to persist and I think I have done that with all her activities, I persisted quite a lot however if she isn't enjoying then what's the point?
With the swimming though I want her continue till she learns how to swim as this is a very important skill to have but I don't know how to go about it, I don't want it to turn into a negative experience as that will only make it harder!
I am thinking next lesson I will let daddy take her and I will stay at home but I know it will be dramatic and she will have to be forced into the car, but I am hoping she will stop and maybe do better in the lesson if I am not there.
Any advices?

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HoozThatGirl · 25/03/2019 14:43

She's four for goodness sake let the poor child just play.
Plenty of time for swimming and tennis and ballet and all the rest when she's older.

elQuintoConyo · 25/03/2019 14:45

She's 4yo. Stop everything. Take her swimming yourself - just to have fun and splash in the pool. She won't be 4yo forever, neither will she be clingy forever.
Don't compare her to other children, there lies madness.

PolarBearDisguisedAsAPenguin · 25/03/2019 14:46

I don’t think children are naturally lazy at all.

You’re heavily pregnant, she will have picked up on this and it sounds like she wants reassurance rather than being labelled as stubborn. Perhaps she is tired from being forced to do all these things and initially does so to try to please you.

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ColdTattyWaitingForSummer · 25/03/2019 14:48

I think it’s only in very recent years that we expect babies / toddlers to do all these structured classes. But actually studies are beginning to show that it’s free play and downtime that are most important for their development. I would take a huge step back from the classes just now and just let her play. There’s time enough for everything else later.

ScarletBitch · 25/03/2019 14:49

What is she going to be like when baby number 2 comes along, or when she starts school?

I would stop all classes and spend 1-1 time with her getting her prepared to be big sister.
There is plenty of time for all these activity's once she is a bit less dependant.

drspouse · 25/03/2019 14:51

I have a four year old like this... And a seven year old...
It's hard though as the expectation is that parents will leave and many things (dance, gymnastics) you can't do with them independently.
We did music classes together with the older one and with the younger one I've told her I'll watch if she stays with the teacher or she has to sit quietly with me (which is really boring).

Timeforabiscuit · 25/03/2019 14:52

She sounds far too young for formal classes, just keep building her confidence in a nurturing way (climbing frames at the park, tree climbing, splashing at the pool, riding a scooter).

Some children are just naturally very cautious and need time, great if your dh wants to get involved in classes - but he'll likely get asimilar reaction so you might want to go through your approach as a couple as to what you want your daughter to get out of these activities.

Hoppinggreen · 25/03/2019 14:52

Dis is like this, he wasn’t a clingy baby or shy but not a joiner either
We tried various baby classes and he just used to sit and look at the organiser with a “ keep away from me you nutter” expression
He’s now 10 and still has no interest in team type things or activities, although he’s outgoing and popular
Your dd might choose to do these things at some point but if not it doesn’t matter

Cushellekoala · 25/03/2019 14:54

4 is still quite young. My dd was like this and to a point my ds as well. My dd is on high school now but still wouldnt join an activity if she didnt know anyone there. Maybe just go to unstructured things like soft play, farms, parks, swimming etc that are not classes for a while? It sounds stressful for both of you at the moment.

SeventhWave · 25/03/2019 14:55

She's four. She's obviously not ready for activities, and she isn't being stubborn, she just hasn't got the confidence to do things independently yet.

CallMeCarolDanvers · 25/03/2019 14:58

Just leave it, go fun swimming with her, get her dad to take her fun swimming, come back to it later, what harm? Let her get her exercise riding her scooter and running round the playground and going for nice walks.

InDubiousBattle · 25/03/2019 15:00

Just let her play. She doesn't need all of these classes and clearly doesn't enjoy them. Abandon them all for now and just do 1 to 1 activities she likes. My friend forced her little boy to do swimming for ages, he hated it at first and hates it more now after a year of tears and tantrums.

sugarbum · 25/03/2019 15:00

"I think naturally kids are lazy and don't want to do stuff"

No. Kids are all very very different. Some of them love activities. Some do not. Some are lazy. Some need to be doing stuff all of the time. I have one of each of these which can make life tricky.

There is absolutely no NEED for a 4 year old to do classes, and if they need you to be there to be able to enjoy them, that's fine. She isn't deliberately being awkward. She just needs the reassurance that you are there. And as you are pregnant, I'm afraid it will probably get worse before it gets easier for you. DS1 has still not forgiven me for having DS2. DS2 is 9 now....

fikel · 25/03/2019 15:03

For God sake she is still a baby. My DD was v attached to me, she did try activities when she got older. She is now 14 and hasn’t kept up with any of them, drama, clarinet or piano. It doesn’t bother me at all, the main thing is she has found her confidence and has a good circle of friends.
Don’t be hard on your DD, enjoy these years and go back if and when she’s ready

Ellieboolou27 · 25/03/2019 15:08

My advise is to stop all activities, it really shouldn’t be this hard. Enjoy some one to one time while you can as it’s gold dust.

Keener · 25/03/2019 15:09

Why are you so obsessed with a tiny child having a roster of activities? This says far more about you than about her, OP. What gap is your need to have her take part in unnecessary things she doesn't enjoy filling -- and for your family, too? This little girl is barely past toddlerhood, and already she's apparently a disappointment to both parents and her grandmother, and being labelled 'lazy'? Good grief.

nevernotstruggling · 25/03/2019 15:11

I just worked through the moaning with dd2.

cestlavielife · 25/03/2019 15:20

She is four
Cut out the activities
Let her dad take her to.the park
No need for structured classes at all.
Fun swimming splashing playing sessions to enjoy water with you or dad then lessons later.

NWQM · 25/03/2019 15:27

For me swimming is slightly different as it's a life skill. Cut the others out for now but spend the money on 1:1 lessons for swimming.

My daughter was always to 'go join in'. Changed completely when she about half way through her reception year because she suddenly wanted to do x with y and a with b. Your DD may too.

rainbowstardrops · 25/03/2019 15:34

She's a baby. Let her play.

Tawdrylocalbrouhaha · 25/03/2019 15:37

I just wouldn't worry. My DS is 4 and he and all his 4 year old friends go through activities in the same way - interested at first, then messing around and foot dragging, then on to the next.

To those who are scoffing at the idea of activities for children this age, I keep him doing them because he is happy to go off on his own, and it gives me a break. An only/eldest child can be hard work, and the days can be long. Activities help with that, but only if the child enjoys it.

drspouse · 25/03/2019 15:41

For me swimming is slightly different as it's a life skill. Cut the others out for now but spend the money on 1:1 lessons for swimming.
This is our feeling too. Other things we give it a go but swimming is a must. Both DCs eventually learned better from a class than us.

christinarossetti19 · 25/03/2019 15:52

My dd was exactly like this (for years). The only thing that 'worked' was letting her develop her independence as and when she felt ready to.

She's not 'being stubborn'. She's feeling panicky and can't think straight. Whether it's about not being able to do what she's asked to, you not being there, not understanding why she's being expected to do whatever who knows, but it's panic and anxiety that makes children respond in this way not 'stubbornness'.

I agree with the leave all classes for the foreseeable and focus on simple one to one time. Believe me, there will be ample opportunities for you to spend your life ferrying her about for £££ classes when she's older.

I assume that she's going to be starting school in September? That and a new little brother or sister is enough for a four year old to have on their plate.

anniehm · 25/03/2019 16:05

She's only 4. Plenty of time for clubs. She's at nursery that's enough (same goes for first year of school) once she starts to develop her own interests she will want to go alone.

anniehm · 25/03/2019 16:07

As for swimming, waiting til 6 or 7 is fine if they aren't ready unless you live on a boat of course!

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