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fabnf · 25/03/2019 14:40

Hi,

My daughter is 4, she is wonderful but she is VERY attached to me. When she was 2 I put her on a ballet class where parents join in, she had fun for about 8 months, then it came a time where they were going to do a presentation in the theatre and parents weren't allowed in, she refused to go and I ended up pulling her out of ballet.
Just a few months before we stopped the ballet I engaged her in a gymnastic class, again parents would join in so all was fine, after about 10 months she went to a level where parents were not allowed to join anymore but just to watch. So she cried and clung to my legs but one of the coaches just took her from my arms and let her joined the class crying, after about 10m she stopped crying and started to join, I couldn't believe! She continued for another 12 months and she was so good at it that she was asked to join a development class, everything was going great, then the winter came and she started losing interest, refusing to join in. I thought she was getting too tired as she was going at 4pm after a day at nursery/pre-school and the winter do let us down a bit so I thought we would give it a break, what else could I do? Can't force her to do it, I did try bribing but it didn't work!
So then there was some tennis taster classes at her pre-school, their teaches told me she would do well playing tennis so I went on to engaged her in tennis classes which she happily played for a good 6 months with me just watching her. Then again she started refusing to play for no apparent reason, I insisted for a while and she will do it as long as I am standing there next to her - and it has to be me, not daddy. Problem is now I am heavily pregnant with my 2nd child and I am tired of this drama and being there standing next to her the whole class. She does seem to enjoy the class but it comes with all this drama. But she also tells me that she does not like to play tennis. I thought I insisted enough and decided to pull her out once again.
Finally she is now doing swimming lessons she had 3 lessons so far. The pool is nice and warm, there are 3 teachers, it's only 30m lessons.
When it starts they tell the kids to sit at the edge of the pool and they attach this shark fin on their back which makes them float and they all have a wonderful time. But mine refused to even sit at the edge of the pool, as I try to sit her, her legs wouldn't bend and she started to cry so the coach tells me not to force and she put another coach to deal with her which was a very nice lady full of smiles that came with all those swimming toys and my daughter went along with it, though she still refuses the shark fin.Then at the end then told me she will do just fine and in no time she would be joining in with the other kids. Second lessons pretty much the same. Third lessons the nice lady wasn't there, there were only 2 coaches, one went for her to do this 1-2-1 attention but she wasn't having it! She refused to do anything and even before the class started she was clinging to me, after 15min (half the lessons) she finally gives in but I had to literally be at the side of the pool bending over and talking to her the whole time for her to do stuff.
It doesn't matter how much you tell her she won't have this or that if she doesn't do the lessons, she doesn't care, she is VERY stubborn. But when she finally do things she is wonderful at everything she does.
My DH blames me, he thinks I am too soft and keeps telling me I need to cut the umbilical cord. He wants me to stay at home and let him take her to the classes. My mum said yesterday I need to be more active with baby 2 when he is born and I just thought how can I be more active?? I am the one who goes after all these classes and engaged my daughter into it, I started when she was 2, could I have started any earlier? What I am doing wrong??
I feel terrible! It does seem I am the problem - because she is soo attached to me she wants me to do everything with her. I encourage her to do things on her own, I want her to enjoy her activities and I want to be able to watch her doing it.
I think naturally kids are lazy and don't want to do stuff so we have to persist and I think I have done that with all her activities, I persisted quite a lot however if she isn't enjoying then what's the point?
With the swimming though I want her continue till she learns how to swim as this is a very important skill to have but I don't know how to go about it, I don't want it to turn into a negative experience as that will only make it harder!
I am thinking next lesson I will let daddy take her and I will stay at home but I know it will be dramatic and she will have to be forced into the car, but I am hoping she will stop and maybe do better in the lesson if I am not there.
Any advices?

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TheCuddlyOctopus · 25/03/2019 19:45

My 5yo hates organised activities too and always has done. DH was especially very keen we just backed off and let her be and it's the right thing to do. Once she starts school her time will be much more structured and time to just mess about is crucial.

Also- my DD Is an introvert in the classic sense- she is not anti-social but is drained by lots of interpersonal contact. Groups and the like are just too much. Perhaps your DD is trying to tell you the same thing? I really wanted her to be a joiner-inner but you have to parent the kid you have not the one you want.

(I have insisted on swimming but we pay for 121 as she can't cope with a group).

JuniperGinYay · 25/03/2019 19:55

Lol, you’re describing my son age 4/5/6. If there was anything at all he opted out, from playing football to museum workshops. I remember tbh feeling envious/ frustrated a bit (though I hid it)

Now I have the opposite issue- he’s on the cricket team, does cubs, heavily into ballet, swims, sails, ice-skates, climbs... a rather confident young man who I’m constantly trying to constrain a tad in his sporting habits! He’s in the middle of anything and everything and a bit of a charmer.

Seriously, age 4 means absolutely NOTHING

fabnf · 25/03/2019 20:44

"Alternatively she could be a normal 4 year old and you just need to relax and let her be. Trying 1 or 2 activities is normal. This many sounds like too much"

So all the other 4 year olds who are doing the activities are not normal??

She has never done more than 2 activities a week, if you read again will see that I pulled her out of one and then engaged her into another but it was never more than 2 a week and each only last a maximum of 45m.
Currently she is ONLY doing the swimming which is ONCE a week for 30m.

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MsTSwift · 25/03/2019 20:51

Op why so defensive chill out! You asked for views those of us with older kids have been through it and those activities are something and nothing if she’s not enjoying them absolutely no harm in dropping them. Many kids don’t swim properly until 6 ish I dropped all activities when dd1 started school she was a July birthday and could only just deal with school let alone schlepping round town doing organised stuff. Plenty of time for that stuff later she’s now 13 found the sport she enjoys and is in school team

fabnf · 25/03/2019 21:19

Thank you all, there has been some really good advice.

Just to clarify I didn't call everyone vile, it was meant for one post specific from keener, I just didn't find how to reply to a specific comment.

Like I said, I don't force I just persist a little and if she isn't enjoying I pull her out.

She did have fun with all the activities she did, but at some point she got bored, with the swimming is being hard to start but I still think it's good to learn early and it's important, even though we don't live in a boat.

At the moment she is only doing swimming which is on Sundays and it's only a 30m class. I will let daddy take her alone next time to see if there is any difference but if it doesn't work I will stop and try again in a year or so.

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Keener · 25/03/2019 22:00

My post was not remotely ‘vile’, OP. Why so defensive? You are creating trouble where there needs to be none. No four year old needs a roster of activities she’s clearly not ready for, and to be labelled ‘lazy’ and ‘stubborn’, because she’s behaving like a small child, especially shortly before she gets a new sibling.

Justajot · 25/03/2019 22:22

Until I read your OP, I had completely forgotten that my DD1 was like this at 4. She came across as the most confident and outgoing of her peers with me, happily went to nursery, but just hated activities without me being with her. People who knew her thought it was a bit odd that she wasn't confident at activities. I think she probably wanted to spend her home time with us, rather than at dance and tennis lessons.

She's now 8 and does about 8 different activities a week (some are through school). She is still remarkably confident, but this has now transferred to activities too, though she normally knows a few other children at everything she goes to.

DD2 is now 4 and, being a second child, we haven't sent her to as many activities. She happily goes to her swimming lessons, but I think that is because she sees her big sister going to swimming lessons and we always swim together afterwards, so she has that to look forward to.

If I could start over, I don't think I'd bother sending DD1 to so many activities so young. I would have taken her swimming myself more, or found what we have now so that we could swim together after her lessons. I would then have started her on dance and Rainbows when she started school. And I would always try to send her with her friends if possible.

kingfisherblue33 · 25/03/2019 22:27

Well, ballet, gym, tennis and swimming all before four?!

Just do stuff with her. Wait till she’s older for formal classes.

We took ds out if swimming classes till he was 7 - he then learned to swim pretty quickly.

Honestly, she has loads of time to learn skills and do classes. She will make friends at the park.

kingfisherblue33 · 25/03/2019 22:27

Some dc are happy to do group stuff at a younger age; some are not. It’s all normal...

christinarossetti19 · 25/03/2019 23:29

OP, Keener's post wasn't 'vile'. You stated that you were sick of all the drama, and Keener suggested that you stop creating it.

That sounds fair enough tbh.

JassyRadlett · 25/03/2019 23:40

OP, kids are so different at this age. DS1 wouldn’t tolerate classes at that age without parental support/participation, though he did swimming, dance and tennis through his nursery).

When he started school he rebelled against all, so we stopped everything, including swimming, for a year.

He’s now 7, coming on in leaps and bounds in swimming, does art club and football and is currently demanding tennis, karate and chess club.

Your DD will decide what interests her in her own time.

AzRam · 25/03/2019 23:52

Hi guys I’m new here 😉 I have a 2 and a half years old daughter never likes going to the park or playing with other kids, she just wants to walk and experiment the environment, at home when she has screen time she’s sings dances and I can see she’s really happy.. some times she doesn’t even want to go out, I can’t stop thinking how hard it’s going to be when she starts school soon, I’m soo lost what can I do? Is anybody in the same situation as me??

bookmum08 · 26/03/2019 00:01

I don't really know what to add to this as the 'she is only 4' has been said several times already. It does seem she has already done a lot in her 4 years. I don't know any children of that age who have done tennis lessons. The important thing is that she is happy in what she is doing - whether that's a group/class, going to the park, going to the Library or saying at home spending hours playing with Sylvanian Families. So what if other children seem (in your eyes) to be happily skipping off to ballet/tennis. That's them not your girl. I know some children whose lives are scheduled with this and that class everyday and are off every weekend doing family activities but never actually get to stay home and build a rocket out of Lego or build a ramp out of cardboard to wizz Hot Wheel Cars down.
If she isn't enjoying swimming 'lessons' then just go fun swimming. What does she really love to do? Do that with her. Once she is at school full time she will make new friends and maybe want to go to certain groups because her friends are going or she might not. Does it matter as long as she is happy in her little world.

MsTSwift · 26/03/2019 06:50

I went to a talk recently by a child psychiatrist who said it’s important parents stop the activity arms race and just spend time with their child

SallyWD · 26/03/2019 07:04

Too much pressure at 4!! My daughter had swimming lessons at 4 and hated it. It was causing so much stress I took her out of the lessons. For the next few years I took her to the pool myself just to splash around and play so she could associate the swimming pool with fun and not fear. We started proper swimming lessons again a few weeks before she turned 8. Now she's 8 and can swim really well and loves it. Don't force things too early, is my advice.

SallyWD · 26/03/2019 11:04

Also I tried to get my daughter in to activities when she was 4 and she wouldn't do anything! She was too nervous and shy, just wanted me. Now she's 8 there's no stopping her! She does so many different activities it's hard to keep up with it all.

MsTSwift · 26/03/2019 11:24

I witnessed an upsetting scene at my dds swimming lesson. She was about 7 but there was a class of tinies. One child getting really distressed and I felt the teacher was really harsh with her. Then the mum went to the waters edge I thought to rescue the kid but and was equally harsh. Don’t care what their back story was as a random adult observing I was shocked and I am on the strict side myself

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