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papillon · 01/06/2004 16:35

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Beetroot · 03/06/2004 15:29

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secur · 03/06/2004 15:30

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Blu · 03/06/2004 15:30

Oh yeah, meant to say, what i DO remember my Mum saying a lot is 'I always love you, but I don't always like what you do'

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Heathcliffscathy · 03/06/2004 15:32

beety i'm glad it's not just me that ends up resorting to capital letters now and again

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gothicmama · 03/06/2004 15:33

Blu is not the whole point of positive parenting that you have to have some form of comeback if it fails - no system is fool proof and the needs of individuals differ - time out is not a punishment it is time away from the situation to discuss it rationale - therefore positive it is only negative if child is sent away on own

glitterfairy · 03/06/2004 15:34

personally I think it is much more scarey to smack when not in anger!

Heathcliffscathy · 03/06/2004 15:34

blu, i have to say i agree with your post re pacific peoples in nz tho from a place of comparative ignorance it must be said: just 6 months spent travelling in NZ. Ghettoisation (sp?) tends to lead to these behaviours imo. doesn't once were warriors make just that point, that actually detachment from the original culture and poverty are at fault rather than anything else...i was stunned at the racism i encountered against these groups from otherwise v enlightened kiwis (not saying this of you piffle!)...

gothicmama · 03/06/2004 15:35

yes it would be cos it would be like cold and calculated- can you smack not in anger or on a power trip?

glitterfairy · 03/06/2004 15:35

Also my kids enjoy their time outs and always come and say sorry eventually. They know it prevents a row and we will discuss things when calm.

Heathcliffscathy · 03/06/2004 15:36

i think that is crucial glitter: if you lose it and make a mistake, and acknowledge this when you've calmed down that is one thing. but to coldly mete out physical punishment is just in no way a good modelling behaviour: how confusing for the child - don't hit people, but i hit you and i do it when completely calm...eh???

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secur · 03/06/2004 15:39

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glitterfairy · 03/06/2004 15:44

Beets always knew i was right to leave you my kids in my will! Sisters under the skin whihc as you know is huge for me! Secur we are all humiliated as kids at one time or another but usually by our peers and we all remember it. Hopefully it prevents us doing that to our kids in a cold calculating way

hercules · 03/06/2004 15:45

That's my problem with it too beety. What example is it giving? I want my kids to understand that hitting gets you no where in life and there should be zero tolerance. How can I tell ds not to hit by hitting him myself. Ds has never hit another child and I believe part of this is because it is not acceptable at home.
I still cannot see the purpose of smacking.

I remember as a child being absolutley mortified at being smacked in public, the very threat made me cry which then made my parents more determined to smack. The reasoning was if you dont stop crying you'll get smacked again which of course makes you cry even more.

I have no recollection of what I did nor any other punishments.

I have also seen this phrase said by countless other parents.

aloha · 03/06/2004 15:49

To be entirely honest, I would never think my parents were justified in smacking me. I thought so at the time, and still think so now and I told my mother that about ten years ago. She found it very upsetting when I told her that I still remembered it and thought it was disgraceful and I know she regrets doing it very much. I have a strong suspicion that both my son and stepdaughter would feel the same sense of outrage and of physical violation at someone slapping them. Maybe it is a personality thing, but I remember it vividly. It made me feel unloved and I thought it was wrong. Now, as a parent I resolve to do things better than my parents as does my dh, and a very important part of that to us is that we do not talk about discipline and punishment and smacking and fear, but of mutual respect (I try always to remember to say please and thank you to my son, even if I am extremely irritated by his actions, for example "Oh, X, COME HERE....please ) love, and helpfulness so that we can live cooperatively without resorting to punishment. So far it really does seem to be working. For me, smacking is an absolute no-no - and partly it is because I would feel absolutely dreadful if I hit my lovely, sweet little boy. I simply cannot imagine doing it - except possibly in a moment of loss of control. I certainly couldn't do it in a 'controlled' way. Of course I don't think children should do absolutely anything they want - ie run into the road, stab the cat - but I do think there are other ways of handling it that are more effective and leave all parties feeling better about themselves. I do think smacking should be outlawed though - even the mild form - because I think it will change the way people parent their kids and hopefully will mean fewer people slapping their kids around the head and slapping babies' legs in Peckham. I'm sure the good parents who don't do anything this will be able to find other ways of maintaining a happy home. Honestly, you can have great kids in a no-smacking house, I promise!

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PotPourri · 03/06/2004 15:50

I wonder if this discussion will make it onto the home page...

aloha · 03/06/2004 15:52

BTW, Bloss, I know you will say that you don't feel dreadful when you smack your children, so it doesn't apply. But surely, it can't make you feel good about yourself? And I think that in itself isn't good for your relationship.

I also know that you can love the children you smack, and I am sure my parents loved me very much, but I remember feeling extremely unloved when it happened to me. I don't want to risk my son feeling like that.

Heathcliffscathy · 03/06/2004 15:52

they never put the v heated ones on

Tinker · 03/06/2004 15:53

Sorry if this has already been said but when smacking was outlawed in Sweden weren't most parents against the ban. Now, most are against smacking. Sure I've read this.

Blu · 03/06/2004 15:54

Beety, I think i can recognise a qualitative difference between 'I'm locking you away in exile and banishment because you are too wicked to be in my company' and calm 'take some time out on your own to reflect and calm down and then let's all tak about it and make up and cuddle'.
Gothicmama - in that vein, i take your point below.

Heathcliffscathy · 03/06/2004 15:55

it's amazing to me that it isn't illegal (but hitting adults is).

Tinker · 03/06/2004 15:55

Oh, and I write as someone who has smacked in the past (through my frustration), believe I was wrong and think I wouldn't have done it if it was outlawed.